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Old 07-22-2014, 09:09 PM
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the logo should have been a slam dunk. It is obviously not that. Not many really cared for the old logo but when they unveiled the new one it should have been one that almost every could agree was a big improvement.
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Remember, there is no V in the Flying D.
Remember, there is no V in the Flying D. Oh contraire!

Just to add fun to the threaded conversation! See the Flying V Formation below:




And the flatten sun sorta, coulda look like a D don't you think!?

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Originally Posted by Sea Bass View Post
the logo should have been a slam dunk. It is obviously not that. Not many really cared for the old logo but when they unveiled the new one it should have been one that almost every could agree was a big improvement.
You are messing with us, right? You know there is no such thing as everyone agreeing on anything that is subjective. No matter what was put out there it would be close to a 50-50 vote.
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I really thought that the angst with the logo would die down and be gone in a week. Instead it is building and getting worse.
It's angst turning into desperation. I think people realize UD isn't going to change their mind, so those seeking to get the logo nixed jumping on the it looks like VD bandwagon.
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It's angst turning into desperation. I think people realize UD isn't going to change their mind, so those seeking to get the logo nixed jumping on the it looks like VD bandwagon.
There is no jumping on it "looks like VD bandwagon" - it does look like VD - almost everyone I showed it to saw the V in there with no prompting.

It is not hidden - it is plain as day a V

How the Admin missed that is shocking. At some point someone had to say - there is a V in there.

You are correct that the Admin will not change it not yet - but they should - it is an embarrassment to the University. And while a new logo will never be liked by all - it needs to be liked by most. And in this case it is hated by most.

The new Logo needs to go - but sadly the Admin most likely feels they would look weak if they made a change now. So we are stuck with a horrible logo for way to many years in the future.

Guess there is a good side business to make un-official UD wear with any logo other than this one. I know I will not be buying a single item with the new logo - and a lot of other alumns feel the same way.
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Well, I showed 5 people who have nothing to do with Dayton, and they said it looks good. I will have no problem buying flying D merchandise, and I know a lot of alums who feel the same way. If you want to search for something negative, you can find it.
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
No matter what was put out there it would be close to a 50-50 vote.
Disagree. I think there was a logo out there that could achieve something more closely resembling consensus. If I knew what it was, I'd own a design firm. But this ain't it.
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Flyer News' take on the logo,...

....a mature student's view.

http://www.flyernews.com/fn_wp/negat...-to-modernity/
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Originally Posted by podcast411 View Post
There is no jumping on it "looks like VD bandwagon" - it does look like VD - almost everyone I showed it to saw the V in there with no prompting.

It is not hidden - it is plain as day a V

How the Admin missed that is shocking. At some point someone had to say - there is a V in there.
Don't be so naive. There's other reasons why people dislike the logo, some are just resistant to change, it's just that the VD angle is what people believe will have the best chance to get the Admin to change their mind. It's really starting to become the only argument being used, not that everyone actually believes that. I would guess the overwhelming minority actually see a V at first glance. The power of suggestion does wonders. Even if a slight alteration was done to eliminate any perceived V, the majority of those who hate the logo, are still going to hate the logo.

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There is no jumping on it "looks like VD bandwagon" - it does look like VD - almost everyone I showed it to saw the V in there with no prompting.
I am not buying this "no prompting" BS.

Just saying, "What do you think of this new logo?"...or "What's your opinion of this logo?".....or to you wife "Hon, whadaya think of this new UD logo?"...has built into it a not-so-subtle invitation for criticism.

In a credible, unbiased survey constructed by people who know how to do such things, I seriously doubt if more than a very small fraction of those sampled would mention a "V"....and a much smaller sample would say something like "VD".....the latter observation left for the sophomoric.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer View Post
I am not buying this "no prompting" BS.

Just saying, "What do you think of this new logo?"...or "What's your opinion of this logo?".....or to you wife "Hon, whadaya think of this new UD logo?"...has built into it a not-so-subtle invitation for criticism.

In a credible, unbiased survey constructed by people who know how to do such things, I seriously doubt if more than a very small fraction of those sampled would mention a "V"....and a much smaller sample would say something like "VD".....the latter observation left for the sophomoric.
I can only assume that you are just trying to stir the pot here. VD is as clear as day to any Flyer fan that is used to the UD logo. Virtually everyone I have asked about the logo, NO PROMPTING FROM ME AT ALL, sees a VD. It is not rocket science. There is a "D" there with something else that somebody thought looked like a wing or something. Well guess what, any normal person used to a UD is going to see that wing as a V. The best suggestion I had heard for trying to fix this disaster, and yes it is a disaster when so many people are complaining and unhappy, was to vary the length of the wing elements so that they do draw your eye to a V.
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There is no jumping on it "looks like VD bandwagon" - it does look like VD - almost everyone I showed it to saw the V in there with no prompting.

It is not hidden - it is plain as day a V

How the Admin missed that is shocking. At some point someone had to say - there is a V in there.

You are correct that the Admin will not change it not yet - but they should - it is an embarrassment to the University. And while a new logo will never be liked by all - it needs to be liked by most. And in this case it is hated by most.

The new Logo needs to go - but sadly the Admin most likely feels they would look weak if they made a change now. So we are stuck with a horrible logo for way to many years in the future.

Guess there is a good side business to make un-official UD wear with any logo other than this one. I know I will not be buying a single item with the new logo - and a lot of other alumns feel the same way.
Let me first say, I do not like the logo. I do not like the wing and to be honest do not like the D. I like the more traditional block look. But with that being said, the last time I checked, a "V" <----- is open in the middle. The new logo is closed in the middle. That makes it a triangle. Not a V.
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The longer the new logo is around the better I feel about it. Do I think it could have been better? Of course, but it's an improvement from the previous cartoon style ones by far. A change had to be made to modernize our image. People don't like change, it takes time, once the season gets going and the Flyers are winning games no one is going to care about the logo or complain. The uniforms look awesome, the VD stuff is just a reaction to change that will pass.

As for the argument about not using a "UD" in the logo, any time the Flyers are playing every announcer/broadcaster refers to us as "Dayton", not "UD". If you tell someone outside of Ohio that you went to UD, they will ask, "where is that?" Believe it or not we can still have, "We are UD" chants and still be known as "Dayton" to the rest of the country.
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But with that being said, the last time I checked, a "V" <----- is open in the middle. The new logo is closed in the middle. That makes it a triangle. Not a V.
Rhombuscom, Inc. might disagree. (That's Viacom) Or is it Rhombus-split-by-a-squiggly-line-com, Inc.?

Honestly, an "E" is a vertical line with 3 intersecting horizontal lines. I have no idea who C-Upsidedown-V-With-A-Random-Mark Company is! (That would be EA Sports)
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Why does Adobe use a mostly closed triangle as their logo? I'm totally confused, a mostly closed triangle has nothing to do with an "A".
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had a fellow UD alum who sits near the Flyer bench call me up this evening just to complain about the logo. He is one not prone to much emotion, I was surprised.
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If only,....

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had a fellow UD alum who sits near the Flyer bench call me up this evening just to complain about the logo. He is one not prone to much emotion, I was surprised.
.....alums and fans were patient enough to give the rebranding exercise some time. The logo has been the focus of a much larger activity, most of which has yet to be revealed and experienced.

The guys running UD's athletics divsion are not the thoughtless, arrogant dummies they are being made out to be. We know that. In spite of the barrage of criticism they have been receiving, given a few months when all the uniforms and related changes have been revealed I think more than a few alums, Priders, et al will feel a bit sheepish, even a little ashamed of themselves for acting like spoiled children, when they realize that that the entire package is very impressive...and they recall their near tantrum-like behavior "back in July".

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Showed it to a UD grad I know. Just said, "Hey, I've got something to show you." And I used a pleasant voice to make it sound like it was a good thing. I really really wanted an unbiased opinion. Their response was, "what the he!! Is that?" I explained it was UD's new logo. They asked if it was real, and with no prompting, said it reminded them of the V in the Virginia Tech logo. Must have given them some of these same cookies.
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My initial reaction was negative but the logo is growing on me little by little. The "V" is a legitimate complaint. We will hear it from student sections until the next logo remake in 2035. I think in 2014 you let something leak just to catch gaffes like that.

My real problem is they should have canceled the rebrand when we made the elite 8 run. You leave your brand alone if it just got 70 million bucks worth of free exposure.
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Very few who watched us in the Elite Eight run were going to remember our logo. I like the timing. We are in a time of heightened exposure. The old logo was really awful, IMO. Time to look sharp and shake the old image.

I like the concept of the logo that we have now. A few more embellishments/minor changes to it would make it look really good, IMO.

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As I have posted before, I don't like the logo using 2 color scheme, fine with it using a single color. Like everything else.

Now that I 'm past the issue I just want someone to confirm to me that UD isn't planning to sell 'NEW COKE' this coming season at all their concessions. Are they?
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Right,...

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Very few who watched us in the Elite Eight run were going to remember our logo. I like the timing. We are in a time of heightened exposure. The old logo was really awful, IMO. Time to look sharp and shake the old image.

I like the concept of the logo that we have now. A few more embellishments/minor changes to it would make it look really good, IMO.
....what is needed is a little time.

UD is watching...and learning...and absorbing and thinking about the initial comments and reactions. That will affect the branding campaign, especially the way the logo is used.

Nothing about this is set in stone. Certainly, it's not as if UD has made some sort of grievous, uncorrectable error.

Compare for example, changing the name of your teams. Marquette changed its name from Warriors some years ago to some other goofy name....I don't recall what it was. But, in a short time the newly adopted and branded name was dropped and replaced by their current name, golden eagles.

Now something like that is really embarrassing.
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Talked to a couple 30-ish ladies today, one an eggsavier grad who always engages in some friendly banter about her alma mater and mine. They had not heard UD had a new logo, so I showed them a couple pictures of it. They both immediately said, "oh, I get it, the Flyers. Looks like it's flying. Pretty good." They did like it better on an angle (shown on the court) as opposed to the "plain" logo. Neither mentioned anything about a V. They immediately recognized it was a D in flight.

Talked to a fellow UD grad this morning who thought it was horrible. So there you go.

I agree 100% with UAC Flyer's post a couple above mine in this thread - everyone who is wailing and gnashing their teeth will feel foolish in a couple of months.
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OK, so I have given it a few days before commenting. I keep going back and looking again and again and again, and well, I still do not care for the LOGO. The two color is the worst, Fudds one color not as bad.

As part of my own little survey, I asked my mother, wife, son and daughter, all at different times, and they all commented on the V.

I have thought for years many of us (after the trash was eliminated a few years back) here on UDPride were among the most level headed fans around, especially compared to other sites, Facebook, etc.....

When the new Logo can not even get a passing grade amongst this crowd, you know it must be bad!

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Has anyone checked out xavierhoops.com, some were upset this didn't happen before they left the a10.
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As I have posted before, I don't like the logo using 2 color scheme, fine with it using a single color. Like everything else.

Now that I 'm past the issue I just want someone to confirm to me that UD isn't planning to sell 'NEW COKE' this coming season at all their concessions. Are they?
Agree with the single color logo. As for the latter, they already screwed that up by switching from Coke to Pepsi.
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I never saw the v until people started complaining about it, and I still don't think the v is very noticeable/a big deal.

I think people are really reaching for things to complain about with the new logo and/or are just whining because they don't like the new logo.
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The wing beside the D does look like V, but it's a bleeping wing!!!! It's not UD and it's not VD! It is a flying D and the sooner everyone accepts that the sooner our highly rated recruits start committing
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OK, so I have given it a few days before commenting. I keep going back and looking again and again and again, and well, I still do not care for the LOGO. The two color is the worst, Fudds one color not as bad.

As part of my own little survey, I asked my mother, wife, son and daughter, all at different times, and they all commented on the V.

I have thought for years many of us (after the trash was eliminated a few years back) hear on UDPride were among the most level headed fans around, especially compared to other sites, Facebook, etc.....

When the new Logo can not even get a passing grade amongst this crowd, you know it must be bad!
Be careful about stating your opinion because those that keep defending the logo would have those who disagree, and think it looks bad, grinding and gnashing their teeth in the near future and we will look foolish for having an opinion that differs from theirs
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Compare for example, changing the name of your teams. Marquette changed its name from Warriors some years ago to some other goofy name....I don't recall what it was. But, in a short time the newly adopted and branded name was dropped and replaced by their current name, golden eagles.

Now something like that is really embarrassing.
Per Wikipedia...Marquette changed their name from Warriors to Golden Eagles in 1994. In 2005, they changed the name to just "Gold". Approximately one week later, the name was changed back to Golden Eagles due to a public backlash.

I don't think it has been a week yet since UD unveiled the new logo, maybe if the new logo haters turn up the heat with their complaints, then they can pull off a Marquette-type reversal.


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Be careful about stating your opinion because those that keep defending the logo would have those who disagree, and think it looks bad, grinding and gnashing their teeth in the near future and we will look foolish for having an opinion that differs from theirs
Because knowing the logo critics have been so overtly silenced from expressing themselves, its a wonder how any of them feel like they can have an opinion at all.

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I agree wholeheartedly, Tony! I read more complaints-about-complainers than I do original complaints. We won't argue with them, Tony..
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Some slight alterations that might appease the VD crowd. I don't know if the administration will change the logo. As some said, they could make it all one color and the issue would be pretty well put to rest. But they could do a couple other things. Stagger the wings on the side. Or round out the wings on the side to make it more representative of an air medal. But for the record, i don't have an issue with it as is. I still think it's an improvement over the old one.

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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
As I have posted before, I don't like the logo using 2 color scheme, fine with it using a single color. Like everything else.

Now that I 'm past the issue I just want someone to confirm to me that UD isn't planning to sell 'NEW COKE' this coming season at all their concessions. Are they?
That was last year's switch to Pepsi. Yuck.
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That was last year's switch to Pepsi. Yuck.
I love the switch to pepsi because of being able to purchase Mtn Dew. Big plus for me.
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You think UD has Logo Problems!

New Jersey has joined the battle for ownership of their LOGO

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/24...cmp=latestnews

JoyAnn Kenny, a lawyer with the Red Bank-based firm of Marks & Klein LLP, which represents the company, defended its use of the logo in a letter to turnpike authority lawyers included in the suit. She wrote that there's no way anyone would confuse a highway and a pizza place 1,300 miles away.

"Given the very distinct difference in the goods and services offered by our respective clients (yours being a governmental agency providing highway maintenance and travel related services exclusively in the state of New Jersey — ours being a franchisor of pizza restaurants providing the opportunity to provide delicious pizza and Italian food to patrons of its licensed restaurants), there is no plausible likelihood of confusion," she wrote.




So at least we don't have outside claims of ownership for OUR LOGO ....

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I love the switch to pepsi because of being able to purchase Mtn Dew. Big plus for me.
Double winged D Yuck.

But that's another POLL Pepsi, Coke or Mt Dew
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I agree wholeheartedly, Tony! I read more complaints-about-complainers than I do original complaints. We won't argue with them, Tony..
Is this a complaint about complaining over complaining complainers who complain?

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Double winged D Yuck.

But that's another POLL Pepsi, Coke or Mt Dew
That double winged D is growing on me. Needs to be re-porportioned though. Don't want anyone complaining, there will be a poll, then a Facebook page, aaagh.
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"A survey conducted by the Dayton Business Journal to gauge the public’s receptiveness to the University of Dayton athletics logo found, in a sample size of 850, near universal dissatisfaction with the image."

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Flyer News weighs in

"A survey conducted by the Dayton Business Journal to gauge the public’s receptiveness to the University of Dayton athletics logo found, in a sample size of 850, near universal dissatisfaction with the image."

http://www.flyernews.com/fn_wp/new-a...o-survey-says/
Sums things up reasonably well. Seemed to miss that Curran's son is now working at the design firm....
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Curran's son is now working at the design firm....
The DDN reports that the contract for the new logo was signed 18-months ago...or roughly Jan/Feb 2013...when Curran's son was just starting his 2nd-semester as a junior. Seems unlikely to me that the contract had anything directly to do with him getting hired in May, 2014 and most certainly shows his son had nothing to do with the new logo.

Now it doesn't mean that a _avier grad wasn't assigned the project...
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Another DBS article....

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Flyer News weighs in

"A survey conducted by the Dayton Business Journal to gauge the public’s receptiveness to the University of Dayton athletics logo found, in a sample size of 850, near universal dissatisfaction with the image."

http://www.flyernews.com/fn_wp/new-a...o-survey-says/
This DBS article is a bit more general re re-branding issues.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne....html?page=all

Clearly, UD evaluated many designs and sought the opinion of a large number of its staff,...including all the coaches. And, the U settled on a design that was viewed positively by that group.

Looking at it from that point of view, it almost seems as if at the heart of the beefing is the sentiment, "Why wasn't my opinion sought?"....rather than fundamental objection to the design itself. To the extent that alums and fans are upset that they didn't have input (even though they may not realize that's what they're mad about)....no logo design will please them. They are ****ed off, period.

Therefore, as suggested in the DBJ article I posted, what the U needs to do is wait a few months,...determine how mechandise sales are affected...how the rest of the campaign (unis et al) are accepted.

It will be very, very interesting to observe DF's reaction in a few weeks when/if UD football unis are introduced, including a new white helmet with the logo.....and they are drop-dead sensational.

Let's wait.
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The DDN reports that the contract for the new logo was signed 18-months ago...or roughly Jan/Feb 2013...when Curran's son was just starting his 2nd-semester as a junior. Seems unlikely to me that the contract had anything directly to do with him getting hired in May, 2014 and most certainly shows his son had nothing to do with the new logo.

Now it doesn't mean that a _avier grad wasn't assigned the project...
Yeah, but it still doesn't look good. When the contract was awarded, Curran could have said that his son would likely be interested in working for them when he graduated. Conspiracy theories aren't hard to come with, and where there is controversy, conspiracies tend to get legs. It may not have actually had anything to do with it, but it does add fuel to the fire. The problem isn't as much the logo but it's kind of everything else they did and didn't do that ignited the firestorm which is really the alarming thing. You don't ask any students for design ideas. You don't get any opinions outside the room from alums. You call a press conference to announce something that was unpopular. Go about the process right and no one ever questions that the design firm is employing family members of top UD administration probably. Go about it so carelessly, and you've got some 'splaining to do!
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This DBS article is a bit more general re re-branding issues.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne....html?page=all

Clearly, UD evaluated many designs and sought the opinion of a large number of its staff,...including all the coaches. And, the U settled on a design that was viewed positively by that group.

Looking at it from that point of view, it almost seems as if at the heart of the beefing is the sentiment, "Why wasn't my opinion sought?"....rather than fundamental objection to the design itself. To the extent that alums and fans are upset that they didn't have input (even though they may not realize that's what they're mad about)....no logo design will please them. They are ****ed off, period.

Therefore, as suggested in the DBJ article I posted, what the U needs to do is wait a few months,...determine how mechandise sales are affected...how the rest of the campaign (unis et al) are accepted.

It will be very, very interesting to observe DF's reaction in a few weeks when/if UD football unis are introduced, including a new white helmet with the logo.....and they are drop-dead sensational.

Let's wait.
From the article,

UD said in a release that “faculty, students, student-athletes, coaches, supporters and alumni provided input during the process.”

Dayton did an extremely poor job it seems of putting that info out there. If that's out ahead of the brand unveiling and key stakeholders feel like they can offer an opinion (even if you don't listen or really consider) then they are more apt to buy in to the the decision to rebrand and ultimately the new brand itself. Not doing that was a big mistake.
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Yeah, but it still doesn't look good. When the contract was awarded, Curran could have said that his son would likely be interested in working for them when he graduated. Conspiracy theories aren't hard to come with, and where there is controversy, conspiracies tend to get legs. It may not have actually had anything to do with it, but it does add fuel to the fire.
UD had been using 160over90 long before the contract for the new logo. Previous experience with them is the more logical reason for picking them.
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That double winged D is growing on me. Needs to be re-porportioned though. Don't want anyone complaining, there will be a poll, then a Facebook page, aaagh.
I think it looks even more old school than the previous logos.
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This DBS article is a bit more general re re-branding issues.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne....html?page=all

Clearly, UD evaluated many designs and sought the opinion of a large number of its staff,...including all the coaches. And, the U settled on a design that was viewed positively by that group.

Looking at it from that point of view, it almost seems as if at the heart of the beefing is the sentiment, "Why wasn't my opinion sought?"....rather than fundamental objection to the design itself. To the extent that alums and fans are upset that they didn't have input (even though they may not realize that's what they're mad about)....no logo design will please them. They are ****ed off, period.

Therefore, as suggested in the DBJ article I posted, what the U needs to do is wait a few months,...determine how mechandise sales are affected...how the rest of the campaign (unis et al) are accepted.

It will be very, very interesting to observe DF's reaction in a few weeks when/if UD football unis are introduced, including a new white helmet with the logo.....and they are drop-dead sensational.

Let's wait.
DF is very seriously considering stopping his contributiions to UD Football as long as there is a VD on the helmets....
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Flyer News weighs in

"A survey conducted by the Dayton Business Journal to gauge the public’s receptiveness to the University of Dayton athletics logo found, in a sample size of 850, near universal dissatisfaction with the image."

http://www.flyernews.com/fn_wp/new-a...o-survey-says/
Yes, but how many random people would give good feedback for anything UD related in Dayton? The V still does not jump out at me, I still see it a as wing.

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I think it looks even more old school than the previous logos.
A few tweaks to bring it up to date with still a retro look. Old school can be rad these days.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer View Post
This DBS article is a bit more general re re-branding issues.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne....html?page=all

Clearly, UD evaluated many designs and sought the opinion of a large number of its staff,...including all the coaches. And, the U settled on a design that was viewed positively by that group.

Looking at it from that point of view, it almost seems as if at the heart of the beefing is the sentiment, "Why wasn't my opinion sought?"....rather than fundamental objection to the design itself. To the extent that alums and fans are upset that they didn't have input (even though they may not realize that's what they're mad about)....no logo design will please them. They are ****ed off, period.

Therefore, as suggested in the DBJ article I posted, what the U needs to do is wait a few months,...determine how mechandise sales are affected...how the rest of the campaign (unis et al) are accepted.

It will be very, very interesting to observe DF's reaction in a few weeks when/if UD football unis are introduced, including a new white helmet with the logo.....and they are drop-dead sensational.

Let's wait.
When 48% - Hate it and 36% don't like it. Yeah waiting and seeing is not needed.

Per the football team - they will be old school - The first team to roll out the new logo will be the basketball team.

This is not about people beefing because they did not get a say in it - it is about the logo really sucking big time. To put is bluntly. It is an embarassement to the University. The feedback is strongly slanted toward the negative - and that is not going to change that much - HATE is a strong emotion - and after a week I can say I HATE it even more.

I am resolved to the fact we are likely stuck with this crappy logo for years to come - luckily for me I loaded up on old logo / branding apparel and can last a good 5+ years - before I have to go off and special order items with the old logo. But I will not spend any money on anything with the new logo. And there are many more out there that feel the same way.

A new logo is not supposed to divide a community - but this one clearly has. That in itself is reason enough to kill the VD logo.
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When 48% - Hate it and 36% don't like it. Yeah waiting and seeing is not needed.

Per the football team - they will be old school - The first team to roll out the new logo will be the basketball team.

This is not about people beefing because they did not get a say in it - it is about the logo really sucking big time. To put is bluntly. It is an embarassement to the University. The feedback is strongly slanted toward the negative - and that is not going to change that much - HATE is a strong emotion - and after a week I can say I HATE it even more.

I am resolved to the fact we are likely stuck with this crappy logo for years to come - luckily for me I loaded up on old logo / branding apparel and can last a good 5+ years - before I have to go off and special order items with the old logo. But I will not spend any money on anything with the new logo. And there are many more out there that feel the same way.

A new logo is not supposed to divide a community - but this one clearly has. That in itself is reason enough to kill the VD logo.
From what I hear, the football team will have the new D on their helmets. I agree with everything UACFlyer said. People are just being very salty that they weren't consulted or got to vote. You can't please everyone no matter what. Like anything, acceptance will come with time. @podcast411- If you don't like the new logo, I'd stock up on the old merch because this logos gonna be around for a loooooooong time.
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Thinking about the selection of the designer has me wondering why the Dayton Dragons template for branding wasn't pondered, if in fact it wasn't. You want to talk about a successful brand there's one. Their logo rocks too, imo.. I like the uniqueness of the D itself. Even with the 'jet lines' But the wing, as one faction is calling it, vectors or vapor trail by another faction, is still not growing on me. I think it clashes rather than melds together with the D. I think it's OK, though. It's not a deal breaker for me. I do like it better now than initially. My design concept would've incorporated an identifiable jet wing, maybe a delta or a stealth bomber flying vee. Yeah, I said vee. Don't hate. [lol]
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We could always go back to the dayton coat hanger logo. I mean, didnt anyone see the coat hanger?
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The logo controversy, from what I understand, is a conspiracy directed from down south if you get my drift. I heard, from some sources close to the top of the athletic department, that the committee was infiltrated by a couple of undercover Xavier officials, who had enough influence to get the v into the new logo. They knew this would divide the Flyer nation which would create a civil war in Flyer Town. This would then create so much chaos that it would make it almost impossible for Dayton to get all of their ducks in order make a bid to get into the Big East in the next couple of years. The Dayton Daily News investigative team has been on this development, and this story should break in the next few days.

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I see the sarcasm...

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We could always go back to the dayton coat hanger logo. I mean, didnt anyone see the coat hanger?
...but, in truth, there would be a much better overall reception for that logo than anything that is out there now.

When people think about their college experience, many if not most remember it as "the best time of their lives". They remember the parties, their significant (or non-significant) others, the friends they made. They look back on the teams they rooted for and against. They reminisce about those times in terms of how much better it was "back then". Their College's Logo is looked upon as the visual embodiment of those good times. One glance at the old colors and all those good memories come back.

Every time a school comes out with new logos and branding, there is a major backlash from the Alumni and fans who loved the school in a different era. These people have made an emotional attachment to the old branding and seeing anything different causes true internal stress.

I equate it to waking up one morning and seeing that your wife has shaved her head.

As the end was nearing on the Slant Flyers Logo, many grumblings were heard. Mostly on here but there were many who do not post who had these feelings too. It wasn't because the logo was universally hated, it truly was time for a change. We all wanted something awesome, but awesome is defined by the viewer in every case. We all had images in our heads of what we thought the new logo should be. Some wanted a return to the "Traditional". Some said, Honor the Flight Heritage. One group wanted Rudy to grace the uniforms. Many wanted to strangle those people. The truth is that the new logo did not match most if any of our images. And that just pi$$ed people off.

But in today's world of social media, the general public has assumed delusions of grandeur. Everywhere you turn, opinions are Tweeted or Posted(...choose your platform) as if every schmoe with a smartphone should be looked upon as a consulting firm because they didn't like the end result. But I digress...

The logo that was decided on was chosen by a group of people who, by contrast (thank goodness), have the future in mind. Sure they say they want to give a nod to the past, but their concern is tomorrow. Their concern is to capture new fans and future alumni who are just starting to follow the Flyers. The new fans have no connection to Dayton's past, but in 20 or so years they will be using the technology of the day to complain about why the administration changed their logo again to something they hate.

I personally don't think there is any logo that the vast Flyers fanbase would have universally approved of. There are far too many different perspectives out there, but the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth over this logo has got to stop.

Bottom line, Archie likes it, his old lady likes it, and finally the team got new uniforms because of it...the future is now. Enjoy the ride.

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A few tweaks to bring it up to date with still a retro look. Old school can be rad these days.
Let's bring back the short shorts too.
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I equate it to waking up one morning and seeing that your wife has shaved her head.

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My guess is a large portion of the fan base would be b*&tching if their spouse shaved something else instead of enjoying something different.
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When 48% - Hate it and 36% don't like it. Yeah waiting and seeing is not needed.
Where are these stats from?
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When 48% - Hate it and 36% don't like it. Yeah waiting and seeing is not needed.
Where are these stats from?

From this survey.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/poll/poll/15016341

This logo sucks - is crap - and hated and disliked by almost all. This is not about people not feeling included as some of the mindless sheep suggest - this is about a really bad logo - and the sooner the sheep pull their head out of the sand and see this logo for what it is the better. This logo will be killed the minute there is a change in the Admin team at the University - which is sad - other than the logo they have done a good job.

But again - this logo sucks - not opinion - it is a fact - a logo should not divide a community - there was no where near this type of feedback last time around.

This issue will not blow over - we will be talking about it for a long time. Sadly.
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Has anyone else noticed that some of the logo bashers are people who have posted less that 50 times, or even 10 times? This logo thing must be bigger than all the other sports combined.
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When 48% - Hate it and 36% don't like it. Yeah waiting and seeing is not needed.
Where are these stats from?

From this survey.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/poll/poll/15016341

This logo sucks - is crap - and hated and disliked by almost all. This is not about people not feeling included as some of the mindless sheep suggest - this is about a really bad logo - and the sooner the sheep pull their head out of the sand and see this logo for what it is the better. This logo will be killed the minute there is a change in the Admin team at the University - which is sad - other than the logo they have done a good job.

But again - this logo sucks - not opinion - it is a fact - a logo should not divide a community - there was no where near this type of feedback last time around.

This issue will not blow over - we will be talking about it for a long time. Sadly.
Please don't insult people and call them sheep just because they like the logo and you don't. We work hard here to have a open positive forum where people can discuss issues.

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Some slight alterations that might appease the VD crowd. I don't know if the administration will change the logo. As some said, they could make it all one color and the issue would be pretty well put to rest. But they could do a couple other things. Stagger the wings on the side. Or round out the wings on the side to make it more representative of an air medal. But for the record, i don't have an issue with it as is. I still think it's an improvement over the old one.

I like the double winged D even if it looks like Conan. Pays tribute to the flight aspect that to me is just missing. We're the Dayton Flyers not the Dayton Swooshers to the Right.
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Exactly UDEE79. love all the new branding glad the old is gone for all of us that like it we will buy our new gear with the new logo , for all that doesn't you can wear your old logo gear .
But everybody has got the point some love it ,some like it ,and some hate it . So let not keep this going forever and just ruin this website that Chris has worked hard to make a great avenue to talk about our loved basketball program.
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I found the UD branding guide. I found it interesting browsing. The athletics portion is still all about the old logo, no sign of the new logo yet.

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I like the double winged D even if it looks like Conan. Pays tribute to the flight aspect that to me is just missing. We're the Dayton Flyers not the Dayton Swooshers to the Right.
I think if they take the D, do the U in the bottom of it similar to now, loose the circle around the D and shorten the wings, viola.

And to really kick ass, bring back the short shorts. It is just a matter of time at this point anyway.
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Please don't insult people and call them sheep just because they like the logo and you don't. We work hard here to have a open positive forum where people can discuss issues.

[edit] My post comes across as too harsh. I should have First said "Welcome to UDPride I love your passion and opinions"
Sorry - but the assumption by those I called sheep - that we that hate the logo is only because we feel slighted by not being included is even more offensive to those of us that feel the new logo sucks.

It is not about not being consulted - I had no expectations of that at all. But it is pretty clear the new logo is bad with the V upfront. If you can't see the V - well then I don't know what to say - because most do see the V.

Per not posting on here that often - that is true - but I can say I have been a flyer fan I am sure longer then many on this board.

I guess you can say this subject is a sore spot to me as someone that literally wore the logo on his chest.

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Sorry - but the assumption by those I called sheep - that we that hate the logo is only because we feel slighted by not being included is even more offensive to those of us that feel the new logo sucks.

It is not about not being consulted - I had no expectations of that at all. But it is pretty clear the new logo is bad with the V upfront. If you can't see the V - well then I don't know what to say - because most do see the V.

Per not posting on here that often - that is true - but I can say I have been a flyer fan I am sure longer then many on this board.

I guess you can say this subject is a sore spot to me as someone that literally wore the logo on his chest.

I can see why you would be embarrassed by the new logo.
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I'm starting a Facebook campaign to bring back the short shorts. Who is with me?!!!!!
I'm in! Do I have to have a Facebook account?
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Gaelic Storm mentioned the new VD logo during their show at Celtic Festival on Friday night. The national branding is working!
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Gaelic Storm mentioned the new VD logo during their show at Celtic Festival on Friday night. The national branding is working!
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The old saying is, "There is no such thing as bad publicity."

I don't know if they had universities in mind when that was said. For example, I imagine Penn State would gladly skip the attention it has gotten lately with the Sandusky episode; people calling it State Penn and all.
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Local version of "The Emperor's New Clothes". Looks like we're stuck with VD for the foreseeable future. Might as well get used to it.
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Supposedly the Arena floor was tweaked so the center court logo is all red instead of red and blue. Personally, I like the single color better. I get the blue and red two color look to accent both our main colors but think it looks cleaner in all red.
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Confirmation?

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Supposedly the Arena floor was tweaked so the center court logo is all red instead of red and blue....
Where did you hear this?....important to confirm. A change in wing color from blue to red is far more than a "tweak". Indeed, it would be the first confirmation that the U has been paying attention to the beefing, especially the "V" baloney.

I don't believe it. I hope I'm wrong. Can anyone confirm a change in the center court logo?
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I have heard it also, but can't confirm it. I looked on daytonflyers.com and they have updated the main page with the new logo. It is in all white on a blue background.
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Supposedly the Arena floor was tweaked so the center court logo is all red instead of red and blue. Personally, I like the single color better. I get the blue and red two color look to accent both our main colors but think it looks cleaner in all red.
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They must be influenced by my avatar. Now if they would only pay attention to the groundswell of support for a return to the short shorts.
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Yes it's all red now.
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Hoch, have you seen it? Can you elaborate at all, including how the decision was made to tweak the color?
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They must be influenced by my avatar. Now if they would only pay attention to the groundswell of support for a return to the short shorts.
Yes, the shorts must be shorter.
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Those guys look great, too bad a bunch of negative nellies posted a bunch of crap under it. Reminds me of the days when they would run an article in the Dayton Daily News and folks would drop a bunch of comments under the article.
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Those guys look great, too bad a bunch of negative nellies posted a bunch of crap under it. Reminds me of the days when they would run an article in the Dayton Daily News and folks would drop a bunch of comments under the article.
The first guy who posted anti-logo was an X fan. The A10/Dayton still dominates his thoughts.
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still dominating some folks thinking....

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The first guy who posted anti-logo was an X fan. The A10/Dayton still dominates his thoughts.
Fudd, sad but true! Needless to say, you'd NEVER, EVER see a UD fan do something like that....lol
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Re the Arena logo....

Several have posted re the wing color change from blue to red......"confirming" the change, sort of.

But I don't believe any Prider has reported seeing the new all red lArena logo with his/her "own eyes". Until that happens I consider the reported change a rumor.

If it's true, as I said, I consider this significant. The U doesn't paint a center court logo and then change the paint color a week later unless it's been doing some very serious "listening".
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Some slight alterations that might appease the VD crowd. I don't know if the administration will change the logo. As some said, they could make it all one color and the issue would be pretty well put to rest. But they could do a couple other things. Stagger the wings on the side. Or round out the wings on the side to make it more representative of an air medal. But for the record, i don't have an issue with it as is. I still think it's an improvement over the old one.

You're hired sir. I like these better than the sharp two color version UD rolled out.
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Nobody outside of Ohio has ever known what "UD" means when I say I went to UD. Nobody. In fact, whenever I drive the 911 90% of the people think the plates stand for (U)nited (D)airy Pride. And thats IN Ohio.
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Smile The New Flyer Fight Song

Given the new logo the words to the Flyer Fight Song are in need of revision. With my apologies to their author, Mac McCarthy, here we go. In the grand manner of the UD athletic office I say "To Hell with tradition!"

UV our hearts ring true, you are our hope and inspiration...
Your colors red and and blue...
They sing to us of God and Nation.
Your cause we'll 'ere defend...
Until life's battles we'll not see...
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Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse View Post
Given the new logo the words to the Flyer Fight Song are in need of revision. With my apologies to their author, Mac McCarthy, here we go. In the grand manner of the UD athletic office I say "To Hell with tradition!"

UV our hearts ring true, you are our hope and inspiration...
Your colors red and and blue...
They sing to us of God and Nation.
Your cause we'll 'ere defend...
Until life's battles we'll not see...
You are the first "V"...
You are the last "V"...
You are the only Dayton "V"!
(Except for the Victoria theater in Downtown Dayton)
There is no V in the new logo.
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Beyond the pale.....

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse View Post
Given the new logo the words to the Flyer Fight Song are in need of revision. With my apologies to their author, Mac McCarthy, here we go. In the grand manner of the UD athletic office I say "To Hell with tradition!"

UV our hearts ring true, you are our hope and inspiration...
are the last "V"...
Alberto,...I have never given a post a bad rep.....and I have never come closer to doing so than after reading your post.
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From what I've recently viewed online, it appears the university
Has surreptitiously switched to one color logo.
Problem fixed. Let's move on people.
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From what I've recently viewed online, it appears the university
Has surreptitiously switched to one color logo.
Problem fixed. Let's move on people.
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If true it means they are listening - which means time to yell even a little louder. We will get the VD logo killed completely before school gets back in session. Good work to all that have fought the good fight - the efforts are starting to bring in results.

Then we can move on to reports about Big Steve and is he on campus.
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I spoke with a member of the athletic staff on Saturday night following the cancellation of Gaelic Storm's performance at Celtic Fest, and this person informed me that the logo at mid-court had been changed to be all-red. This point was brought up by the staff member without any prodding from myself (I was unaware of any previous rumors of the logo having been changed on the court), so unless the athletics department is making up stories to alumns, it sounds pretty official to me.

This staff member also said that the athletics department is not having any discussions regarding abandoning the new logo or reverting to the old one.
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If true it means they are listening - which means time to yell even a little louder. We will get the VD logo killed completely before school gets back in session. Good work to all that have fought the good fight - the efforts are starting to bring in results.

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I believe the major and final change is the one color new logo. And I wouldn't be surprised to see it in two colors down the road in a few years. Stop wasting your time. It's over.
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If true it means they are listening - which means time to yell even a little louder. We will get the VD logo killed completely before school gets back in session. Good work to all that have fought the good fight - the efforts are starting to bring in results.

Then we can move on to reports about Big Steve and is he on campus.
There is no V in the new logo.
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The V is in the eye of the beholder...obviously you don't see it but many do, including my wife who I showed the new logo to the other day. Her immediate comment was "What does the V stand for?"
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There is no V in the new logo.
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Classic. Stick your head in the sand and ignore the problem.
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