potential transfers and spring recruits

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer @jeffborzello Tennessee transfer Tariq Owens is looking at St. John's, George Washington, Cincinnati, Big Ten schools, Illinois State, per his father.

If he had considered us when he made the last move but is not considering us now, I would think the lack of interest is reciprocated.

He wasn't averaging a double double at UT. I wonder how many of the other schools he is considering are knocking down the door if ISU is still considered.

[THirt]

Originally Posted by Bucketnight If he had considered us when he made the last move but is not considering us now, I would think the lack of interest is reciprocated. He wasn't averaging a double double at UT. I wonder how many of the other schools he is considering are knocking down the door if ISU is still considered.

I thought I remember reading something about Owens more or less blowing us off during his recruitment last year. I'd doubt Archie has any interest in adding him to the True Team.

Elijah Minnie on the other hand, I'd think we have a real shot with. We recruited him, though I think never officially offered. He's been to UD Arena (like Charles Cooke, won a game in the First Four). He's from Pittsburgh, so surely he is familiar with the Millers. He's thin, but versatile & talented. With a year off to hit the weights, he could be a good player for UD. I'd think there is a LOT more mutual interest there.
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[DallasFlyer]

Read some comments from Pitt fans, who really seem to want Minnie. This is saying something because I would have thought they would dismiss the thought of a kid from Robert Morris. A lot of folks seem to be of the opinion he can be a special player. Still raw, but the talent is there.

[THirt]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Read some comments from Pitt fans, who really seem to want Minnie. This is saying something because I would have thought they would dismiss the thought of a kid from Robert Morris. A lot of folks seem to be of the opinion he can be a special player. Still raw, but the talent is there.

Their starting point guard Marcquise Reed is also transferring. He averaged something like 15 ppg as a freshman I think.

I thought I'd heard RMU would more or less automatically block a transfer to Pitt or Duquesne. I dunno if that is true, thought it was on an individual basis but I'd think that would be a good policy.
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	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by THirt Their starting point guard Marcquise Reed is also transferring. He averaged something like 15 ppg as a freshman I think. I thought I'd heard RMU would more or less automatically block a transfer to Pitt or Duquesne. I dunno if that is true, thought it was on an individual basis but I'd think that would be a good policy. Posted via Mobile Device

Can a school block a player from transferring to a particular school???

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[1903 Flyer]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 Also I hate when some pub STILL calls us Dayton University you would think by now that old phrase is gone. If they just use DAYTON that's fine with me.

At least they spelled Dayton correctly. Ask "Valporaiso" how they feel.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 Also I hate when some pub STILL calls us Dayton University you would think by now that old phrase is gone. If they just use DAYTON that's fine with me.

I thought the new logo was supposed to correct that?

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by N2663R Can a school block a player from transferring to a particular school???

Pretty much. They can qualify the release.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by Jack D Stan King anyone?

I live in Stan King's hometown and a good friend of mine played against him quite a bit in high school. It was well known back then around these parts that Stan really enjoyed his blunts. I imagine he's smoking one in his Montbello neighborhood as I type this. I found this archived article from the Denver Post back when King was still in HS.

http://extras.denverpost.com/preps/frei0307.htm

[LIBob]

Tariq Owens to St. John's

http://zagsblog.com/articles/tariq-owens-to-st-johns/

[MNFats]

Originally Posted by UDDoug Pretty much. They can qualify the release.

Wisconsin did this a couple of years ago to Jarrod Uthoff. Bo Ryan put some pretty severe restrictions on where he could go. He wanted to go to Iowa, but that was on the restricted list. So Uthoff had to pay his own way for a year at Iowa in order to be able to play there.

As for Marcquise Reed, sounds like he is down to Creighton, GW, USC, Tulsa, and UMass.

https://twitter.com/KyleFH247

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by THirt Their starting point guard Marcquise Reed is also transferring. He averaged something like 15 ppg as a freshman I think. I thought I'd heard RMU would more or less automatically block a transfer to Pitt or Duquesne. I dunno if that is true, thought it was on an individual basis but I'd think that would be a good policy. Posted via Mobile Device

Right. Robert Morris doesn't want to be seen as a place a recruit can just go for a year then transfer across town to Pitt or Duquesne if he's any good.

From what I have read about Elijah Minnie, it seems like he told the media he was interested in transferring before coaches were informed, which is not the way you want it to happen obviously. Now, I don't believe he's indicated anywhere specifically he was considering transferring but if he had, prior to receiving a release, it might give the impression he'd been tampered with, so a school might seek to block the tamperer.

Originally Posted by MNFats Wisonsin did this a couple of years ago to Jarrod Uthoff. Bo Ryan put some pretty severe restrictions on where he could go. He wanted to go to Iowa, but that was on the restricted list. So Uthoff had to pay his own way for a year at Iowa in order to be able to play there. As for Marcquise Reed, sounds like he is down to Creighton, GW, USC, Tulsa, and UMass. https://twitter.com/KyleFH247

Doesn't the Big Ten have an in-conference transfer rule?

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[MNFats]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Doesn't the Big Ten have an in-conference transfer rule?

Yeah, I think so. Wisconsin also said he couldn't transfer to Marquette, Iowa State, or any ACC school.

This is a good read on that whole situation.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...aperwork-caper

[ClevelandFlyer05]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Doesn't the Big Ten have an in-conference transfer rule?

I'm pretty sure transferring to another school in conference is allowed but the new school cannot give the kid a scholarship. Beyond that, I don't know much about releases or how they factor in.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05 I'm pretty sure transferring to another school in conference is allowed but the new school cannot give the kid a scholarship. Beyond that, I don't know much about releases or how they factor in.

Each conference has its own rules on transfers within the conference. The rule above is for the Big10 conference.

[DallasFlyer]

It's being reported that Elijah Minnie has decided to stay at Robert Morris.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer It's being reported that Elijah Minnie has decided to stay at Robert Morris.

Best wishes for the young man's success. If he ever changes his mind, I hope he looks @ 250 miles west.
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[DallasFlyer]

If a player who is getting good playing time is thinking about transferring after his freshman year, chances are he is still thinking about it after his sophomore year. That is my super scientific analysis.

[Sea Bass]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein
Miami transfer Manu Lecomte told @CBSSports he will visit Baylor this weekend (4/17-19). Also considering St. John's and Dayton.

[Bucketnight]

Write up on Lecomte:



http://www.stateoftheu.com/2015/4/8/...913.1428939171

[T-Bone 84]

The write-up said Lecomte played a lot off the ball last year, which explains why, at 5'11", he averaged only 1.8 APG in @ 22 MPG. The upside is, he shot 46% from deep and 88% from the line, so when he lets it fly, he's money. Also, his A/T ratio last year was @ 1.7:1, which isn't bad (Scoochie had a 1.9:1 ratio, and he's a d@mned good ball-handler), and he had his best game @ Duke, in the 'Canes upset victory (and anyone who can beat Duke rates highly with me). I can see why Archie and the staff are interested. Come on in, Manu - the water's fine!

[DallasFlyer]

Kid is from Belgium. I like the idea of bringing in kids with international seasoning. Here is his bio (and name pronunciation video) from the Miami site: http://www.hurricanesports.com/ViewA...CLID=207646261

[CE80]

Why does he want to leave Miami?
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[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by CE80 Why does he want to leave Miami? Posted via Mobile Device

His ears are probably bleeding. Too much Pitbull. You just can't escape it in Miami.

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by CE80 Why does he want to leave Miami? Posted via Mobile Device

probably Angel Rodriguez

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by CE80 Why does he want to leave Miami? Posted via Mobile Device

My guess is he's not happy with how minutes are trending - went from 28 a game his freshman year to 22.4 a game and only got in for 5 minutes his last game (a 2 point OT loss in the NIT Championship)

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass probably Angel Rodriguez

That is a good theory, but surely Pitbull is responsible on some level.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer That is a good theory, but surely Pitbull is responsible on some level.

Well he is Mr. Worldwide.
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[jack72]

Lecomte would sit a year here, and then be in competition with a senior and sophomore for playing time. How many minutes would he get at UD? I guess he could start his senior year.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 Lecomte would sit a year here, and then be in competition with a senior and sophomore for playing time. How many minutes would he get at UD? I guess he could start his senior year.

Before you answer that, watch this video of Manu Lecomte basically single-handedly beating this year's national champion which was posted up thread: http://www.stateoftheu.com/2015/4/8/...913.1428939171

On that day at least, Manu Lecomte was Brian Roberts. If Dayton could get this version of Manu Lecomte, then he plays 30 minutes a game for two years and we're talking Sibert-esque stats when it's all over with. But, for all the brilliance he flashed at times, the problem is that Manu seems a lot more like Josh Parker a lot of the time. Not to say that isn't useful. But it is just really hard to predict minutes when you don't know exactly what you're going to get.

Regardless, he's a great target in my opinion and I hope Archie can get him on campus for a visit. Whereas a lot of times you see players who haven't shown they are capable of being a star, who are looking to transfer for more minutes, Manu Lecomte has actually proven he can play like a star against national-champion caliber competition.

[Flyer 86]

Is this the Miami who was in the NIT finals?

if so, there pg was such a ball hog and team offense sucked. So perhaps some selfishness and negative locker room there.

Interesting!

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Flyer 86 Is this the Miami who was in the NIT finals? if so, there pg was such a ball hog and team offense sucked. So perhaps some selfishness and negative locker room there. Interesting!

It is - curious that he only played 5 minutes in a close lose in the championship game when he was in for 33 minutes just 2 games earlier in a win against Alabama

[TommyGola]

He can stay in Miami as far as I am concerned. He sounds like one of those crybaby players who end up being a cancer on the team. I would rather have Trice out of Wayne. That young man knows the game and will work his hind end off to get better.

[FlightClub.33.32.15.1]

Switching gears here, VCU looks like they could be facing similar problems we were after BG left, at least short term. They've lost all 3 recruits coming in this year as well as one from last. Not to mention Briante Weber is gone (has been done there for a while now) as well as Treveon Graham. They definitely still have some good young talent but it's hard to replace graduates when recruits decide they want to go somewhere else after the HC leaves.

Hopefully for their sake, their new guy can stabilize that program and get it pointed back in the right direction like Archie did with us. Watching what is happening there makes me extremely scared for if/when Archie moves on.

[Sea Bass]

What is happening at VCU is the part of being a non-Power 5 school that really sucks. VCU has done nothing wrong, their coach left for a "better" job. Now they have lost an entire recruiting class and part of another one.

If a school fires a coach they deserve whatever defections that occur, however, when a school moves in and poaches you existing coach and sets you back two years it sucks. Rarely does a Power 5 school have their coach hired away, they are almost always fired away.

[OSU Flyer]

15. Josh Cunningham, Bradley -- He was a Top 100 recruit, and he can rebound and defend; he plays hard. The 6-7 Illinois native averaged 7.9 points and 7.5 boards as a freshman for the Braves this past season.

Considering: Arizona, DePaul, Michigan State, Notre Dame, St. John’s, Minnesota, Purdue, South Carolina, UIC, Dayton, Colorado State

24. Manu Lecomte, Miami (Fla.) -- The 5-11 guard from Belgium averaged 7.9 points and shot 46 percent from beyond the arc for the Hurricanes.

Considering: Baylor, St. John’s, Dayton

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff...-transfer-list

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by NCkevi It is - curious that he only played 5 minutes in a close lose in the championship game when he was in for 33 minutes just 2 games earlier in a win against Alabama

Perhaps he notified the coaching staff of his intent to transfer at some point between the 'Bama game & the NIT Championship? I can see a coach refusing to play a guy who he knows is on his way out.
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[CE80]

Interesting article in today's Plain Dealer (behind pay wall plus I can never figure out how to post link) about 5th year transfers. Saying mid-major coaches pushing to change it. Gary Waters (losing Trey Lewis to Louisville) quoted a bit saying how it hurts mid-majors because they have to develop players and when they do, the guy jumps for his last year. We all know the mid-major depends on getting an experienced team to compete with the programs getting 1 or 2 year players. Also quoted a statistic that said only 30% of these guys ever get graduate degree. Also saying how the major schools keep lists of these eligible players and keep an eye on them. Between AAU coaches and other "handlers" there is contact with these guys and it is almost a whole new recruiting process.

It does seem that this year there are more transfers than ever. I don't know if that really is the case or if it is just because of all the media following it, I am more aware.

[Widget]

Usually in past seasons I am always hoping for a transfer; some fresh blood to shake things up a little bit. This off-season, I can honestly say I am less interested in transfers than I have ever been. If Archie finds a good transfer, great, welcome aboard. But the newcomers we have coming in, plus the pieces we already have in place (not to mention we'll have the most experienced walk-on in the country) make me excited to where I'm not scanning the tansfer websites like I used to.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by CE80 Interesting article in today's Plain Dealer (behind pay wall plus I can never figure out how to post link) about 5th year transfers. Saying mid-major coaches pushing to change it. Gary Waters (losing Trey Lewis to Louisville) quoted a bit saying how it hurts mid-majors because they have to develop players and when they do, the guy jumps for his last year. We all know the mid-major depends on getting an experienced team to compete with the programs getting 1 or 2 year players. Also quoted a statistic that said only 30% of these guys ever get graduate degree. Also saying how the major schools keep lists of these eligible players and keep an eye on them. Between AAU coaches and other "handlers" there is contact with these guys and it is almost a whole new recruiting process. It does seem that this year there are more transfers than ever. I don't know if that really is the case or if it is just because of all the media following it, I am more aware.

The number of transfers has gone up. You can bemoan this, but I don't think it puts mid-majors at a disadvantage at least those in conferences at the level of the A10, AAC, and MVC. Cleveland State got that kid because he wasn't happy at a P5 school (Penn State) I believe. The flow of good players looking to move down for more PT and those moving up is about equal. Too many transfers probably, but the schools that might be getting hurt are the low majors - schools like James Madison (Charles Cooke), NKU and UNC-Asheville who are losing the diamonds in the rough they discovered. By the way, it would not shock me to hear Dayton associated with Persons from NKU or Rowley at UNC- Ashville. Those kids can play.

[N2663R]

[QUOTE=CE80;408049]Interesting article in today's Plain Dealer (behind pay wall plus I can never figure out how to post link) about 5th year transfers. QUOTE]

Here is the article:

Coaches push to change fifth-year transfer rule

Elton Alexander


The NCAA's fifth-year transfer rule was meant to be a reward for players who graduated early, but perhaps did not play as much as anticipated in their first school of choice.

But over time it has evolved into a recruiting tool for major college programs looking for a quick influx of talent and experience, and for mid-major players who have physically grown and improved and now want a taste of the big time.

In the process, it is leaving mid-major teams in a constant rebuilding mode, and in some cases putting coaching careers in jeopardy.

''We addressed this at the head coaches meeting at the Final Four,'' Cleveland State coach Gary Waters said recently. ''This is just bad business, all the way around.''

According to Jim Haney, executive director for the National Association of Basketball Coaches, the NCAA is looking at the rule for possible changes.

''I'm hopeful that by September there will be a recommendation going forward regarding changing that rule,'' Haney said.

And if it is changed, the hope is it will go into effect for the 201617 school year.

The problem is most evident in college basketball, but it is just as prevalent in football, although the move of football players is more to play at the mid-major level rather than moving up.

Akron football coach Terry Bowden has made good use of fifthyear transfers to rebuild the Zips.

Around the MAC last season, fifth-year transfer quarterbacks made their mark at Miami (Andrew Hendrix from Notre Dame), UMass (Blake Frohnaple from Marshall), and Eastern Michigan (Rob Bolden from Penn State/LSU).

In 2014 there was a documented list of more than 700 transfers in Division I basketball. Haney said the bulk of those ''are [young] players moving down'' from one level of Division I to another, or down to Division II. But that is not the case with fifth-year transfers.

''The data shows most of those fifth-year players are moving up,'' Haney said. ''Those programs doing a good job helping their kids toward a degree, to see that student- athlete graduate and leave is a tough deal for those institutions. We're hopeful it gets changed.''

Waters recently lost leading scorer and fifth-year player Trey Lewis, who will be taking his 16.3 points a game to Louisville. It will be Lewis' third college after the Garfield Heights High product began his career at Penn State.

Lewis sat out the requisite redshirt season for the Vikings, then played as a sophomore and junior. Now looking to graduate, he is also looking for greener pastures.

''I'll be playing for a legendary coach, Rick Pitino, and in front of the greatest fans in the nation,'' Lewis told the media when he announced his Louisville decision.

Considering the Cardinals lost one guard, Shaker Heights native Terry Rozier, who announced he is going to the NBA draft, and another veteran guard was kicked off the team after being arrested, Lewis' arrival gives Pitino an experienced veteran guard to lean on, easing the transition for young unproven recruits coming in.

But it leaves CSU without its most experienced guard and leading scorer who was targeted to replace starting senior Charlie Lee. This scenario has played out at many other mid-major programs around the country.

Clearly, many coaches want the rule amended. Preferably they would like to see a two-year scholarship, sitting out the first year while starting their master's programs, then playing the second year.

The belief is that having to sit a season will slow the departures of graduating players, and sitting will also slow 'recruitment' by power conference coaches who will have to wait a year for that return on the court.

Akron coach Keith Dambrot, at the same NCAA meeting, asked what percentage of fifth-year transfers actually get advanced degrees, considering the majority of master's programs take two years to complete.

''They said it was 30 percent,'' Dambrot said. ''There's your answer. The system is being used. And here is the thing. Many of these players are lured by the possibility of being drafted. But the vast majority of them have worse years, statistically, than where they came from.''

While the major college coaches can quickly re-load or rebuild a program with one-and-dones, along with this growing pool of experienced transfers, that is not the case at programs like Akron, Cleveland State and Kent State.

At the mid-major level, coaches try to take full use of the NCAA rule for five years to get in four years of eligibility. They understand the last two years of eligibility should bring more wins than losses. Coaches also build into their programs the ability to graduate players with a bachelor's degree, often in less than four years, through summer school, intercessions and even online classes.

That still leaves time, through hard work and the fifth year, for players to get started on that graduate degree and play.

When a mid-major team rises up to a Sweet 16 run in the NCAA Tournament, almost invariably it will be with a core of fourth- and fifth-year players.

Cleveland State's last NCAA Tournament team in 2009 had three fifth-year players. The last Sweet 16 team in the MAC, Ohio University in 2012, was anchored by a fifth-year player. And the only Elite Eight team in the MAC, the 2002 Kent State team, had three fifth-year players on it.

Without those kinds of players, the chances of a mid-major program having a special season dwindles significantly.

''I got to the Final Four and ran into 10 other coaches who had lost key players, immediate impact players, in their programs,'' Waters said. ''That is a lot to lose in one hit. And you can't blame it all on the kid. Behind the scenes, AAU coaches, high school coaches, even parents, are basically recruiting these kids out all over again.''

And the power conference teams are well prepared for the windfall.

Waters spoke with a high-major assistant coach at the Final Four who said many power conference teams put together booklets at the beginning of every season. It has the names and positions of players around the country who can be fifth-year transfers, and they target those players just like any new recruit.

''Something has to be done about this, sooner than later,'' Waters said.

Kent State head coach Rob Senderoff said; ''At our level, we recruit to develop players. I think I speak for everybody when I say nobody at our level likes the rule. It hurts a lot of programs that have invested a lot of time, effort and money, into these players, their careers, and their own coaching careers.

''This affects a lot of people, a whole lot. It goes from the individual player involved, his teammates, the academic and administrative people who have invested their time, and then the assistant coaches and head coaches who could very well have their careers negatively impacted.''

And this is coming from a coach who has benefited from fifth-year transfers at Kent State. ''When the rule is available to you, use it, but I don't like it for the game of college basketball,'' Senderoff said.

He also noted, while the loss of a key fifth-year player can devastate mid-major programs, there is almost no downside for the major conference program looking for that jolt in the arm a fifth-year player can give.

''It helps those coaches and those programs immediately, with very little risk,'' Senderoff said.

''The players have already graduated, so there are no repercussions, academically. Because the kids only have one year, he does not impact your next recruiting class, and, worst case scenario, if he doesn't work out, it's just a one-year mistake.''

Meanwhile, the programs and the coaches who initially recruited the player, developed him and educated him, are left with nothing at the point of greatest reward.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Gazoo]

I read that quickly before it gets deleted. I think posting articles is a big no-no.

I'm torn on this one. Honestly, in a world where these kids are routinely used by getting pushed into wasted classes just to keep them eligible, if someone gets enough grades to graduate in 4 years and go to grad school, to me that's something that should be rewarded. Yeah, there's a downside too.

[DallasFlyer]

The abuse of the rule is by the kid who has already transferred once. Just don't let that guy transfer a second time with immediate eligibility. Seems like a simple fix to me.

[Sea Bass]

an interesting player. Floor spacer

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN
Spoke to Liberty transfer Tomasz Gielo. 6-9 forward eligible immediately. Shot 40% from 3 past 2 years. Said he is weighing his options.

[FlightClub.33.32.15.1]

I dont see a problem with the 5th year graduate transfer rule. If a player graduates in 4 years and plays all 4 years, he has used up his eligibility at that school. The player wants to continue his playing career may actually want to go to grad school and get a Masters or even Doctorate.

I dont understand how it "hurts" the program a player graduated from they should have already been recruiting to replace him. The only way I can see it hurting a program is if the player was redshirted and uses 3 years of eligibility, but the program should also know that if a player is eligible to graduate and transfer, that they may want to have a contingency plan in place for if that happens. You can probably tell after 2 years of playing (3rd year in program) if the kid has enough skill to "move up," and definitely by halfway through his 3 playing season (4th year in program).

Now schools dont have to over-recruit in terms of scholarships, but it is definitely a smart idea to keep contact with players you're interested in just in case a player does leave after 4 years while playing in 3.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by N2663R Originally Posted by CE80 Interesting article in today's Plain Dealer (behind pay wall plus I can never figure out how to post link) about 5th year transfers. Here is the article: Coaches push to change fifth-year transfer rule Elton Alexander The NCAA's fifth-year transfer rule was meant to be a reward for players who graduated early, but perhaps did not play as much as anticipated in their first school of choice. But over time . . .

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[Medford]

If it were the kids decision/idea and the kid's only, I don't think you'd hear much beef about it, but as the article states, programs are using back door methods to get in these kids ears. I'm sure this is an old idea (see Trent Meachem), but if feels a little dirty.

[Sea Bass]

Coaches don't like it because it messes with their planning and it seems as if power5 schools are "poaching" players from non-power5 schools.

I can't come up with a good argument why a player who has graduated (which is supposedly the goal) should not be allowed to transfer and use their last year of eligibility immediately.

[sheg]

I don't like the 5th year transfer rule unless someone is moving down for playing time.

Here's an example: let's say Big Steve develops into a monster big man. By his 4th year, he's a total stud, tearing up the A10 (but not quite good enough for early to the NBA). He graduates at the end of his fourth year. Some unscrupulous coach from the SEC convinces him (through his family or AAU coach) that he should "move up." The UD staff that spent 5+ years recruiting, educating, and developing him gets screwed out of his senior year - the year he will theoretically be the best.

Do you still support the 5th-year transfer now? Because that's close to what happened to CSU.

(I do think that allowing a guy like Gavs to move down for more playing time should be welcomed. I don't know how you police it, though.)

[Sea Bass]

If a player lives up to their end of the bargain, graduating, I don't see the issue. For the longest time scholarships were one year renewable.

If Big Steve or dare I say, Charles Cooke graduate and decide to leave with a year of eligibility on the table I may not like it because it may hurt the Flyers on the court but that does not make it wrong.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by sheg I don't like the 5th year transfer rule unless someone is moving down for playing time. Here's an example: let's say Big Steve develops into a monster big man. By his 4th year, he's a total stud, tearing up the A10 (but not quite good enough for early to the NBA). He graduates at the end of his fourth year. Some unscrupulous coach from the SEC convinces him (through his family or AAU coach) that he should "move up." The UD staff that spent 5+ years recruiting, educating, and developing him gets screwed out of his senior year - the year he will theoretically be the best. Do you still support the 5th-year transfer now? Because that's close to what happened to CSU. (I do think that allowing a guy like Gavs to move down for more playing time should be welcomed. I don't know how you police it, though.)

How about like this - the 5th year transfer is like any other transfer. If you want to transfer, you sit out a year. If you have already transferred once, that year counts against your year of eligibility (which I think is the case if you did not graduate). An exception is made for the 5th year transfer that can be exempted from sitting out a year if the school he is at currently "approves" the transfer. The school can put conditions on it like you can only transfer to these conferences...or if they want, no conditions. I would think like in a case of Gavs, Archie would have approved the transfer.

[Bucketnight]

We have a tendency to want what works in our favor now.

I can see the potential for abuse but overall it seems wrong that a kid can graduate and be told he has to sit. If the NCAA wanted to crack down on the abuse, they could limit the number of grad transfers a school could take in a given period of time (ex. 2 in 5 years). Overall, the rule will likely help us more often than it hurts... but when it hurts it could be very painful. At a certain point, I think what is fair for the kid? The coach can leave. The player has put in the time athletically and academically. I think the idea of pretending that the kid is going for some academic reason is silly. Both sides gave and received something.

The Grad School graduation rate is a totally misleading stat. For the overwhelming majority of the grad players, they are only getting 1 year paid to attend. If grad school was completely paid there might be an argument. Consider... If there was no more scholarship money after Sophomore year for undergrads, I'm guessing the undergrad graduation rate might drop just a little.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Bucketnight I doubt there are many people on this board looking to send Cooke back to JMU. We have a tendency to want what works in our favor now.

Charles is an example of a kid who transferred up, but he had to sit a year in order to do it unlike a grad transfer. Dayton's exposure to grad transfers either coming or going is Ryan Bass and Alex Gavrilovic so it hasn't really made a huge difference.

[steve]

Originally Posted by Bucketnight I doubt there are many people on this board looking to send Cooke back to JMU. We have a tendency to want what works in our favor now. I can see the potential for abuse but overall it seems wrong that a kid can graduate and be told he has to sit. If the NCAA wanted to crack down on the abuse, they could limit the number of grad transfers a school could take in a given period of time (ex. 2 in 5 years). Overall, the rule will likely help us more often than it hurts... but when it hurts it could be very painful. At a certain point, I think what is fair for the kid? The coach can leave. The player has put in the time athletically and academically. I think the idea of pretending that the kid is going for some academic reason is silly. Both sides gave and received something. The Grad School graduation rate is a totally misleading stat. For the overwhelming majority of the grad players, they are only getting 1 year paid to attend. If grad school was completely paid there might be an argument. Consider... If there was no more scholarship money after Sophomore year for undergrads, I'm guessing the undergrad graduation rate might drop just a little.

Totally different scenario with Cooke. He paid his dues and sat out a year..

[Bucketnight]

I edited my previous post as I incorrectly identified Cooke as a grad transfer. Sorry about that... that's what I get for posting when I should be working.

However, I do still think that we would gladly take a grad transfer that makes the program better and that many people tend to look at the issue in terms of what it does for them/their program right now as opposed to what is fair for the kid. So... I'm sticking with the rest of my post.

[CE80]

Does a transfer player sitting out a year get a scholarship? If so, I take exception to the double transfer, even if the player has graduated. Only using him as an example, but if Cooke graduates after next year, under the current rules he could transfer. Again, I don't like that. We would have paid for 2 years but only received 1 year of play.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by CE80 Does a transfer player sitting out a year get a scholarship? If so, I take exception to the double transfer, even if the player has graduated. Only using him as an example, but if Cooke graduates after next year, under the current rules he could transfer. Again, I don't like that. We would have paid for 2 years but only received 1 year of play.

Yes, transferring players are given a scholarship and it counts against the teams scholarships.

[Swampy Meadows]

The grad transfer option may disappear after this year. When only 30% of the "grad" students actually get an advanced degree it's hard not to envision it going away.
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[1903 Flyer]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows The grad transfer option may disappear after this year. When only 30% of the "grad" students actually get an advanced degree it's hard not to envision it going away. Posted via Mobile Device

I'm actually surprised the percentage is that high.

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows The grad transfer option may disappear after this year. When only 30% of the "grad" students actually get an advanced degree it's hard not to envision it going away. Posted via Mobile Device

Lies, **** lies and statistics.

I'm actually a fan of statistics... but not this one. Does the average advanced degree only take 1 year now? Pointing to the 30% graduation rate is basically stating that a grad transfer should be willing to pay for the remainder of their grad school expenses to finish the advanced degree.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Bucketnight Lies, **** lies and statistics. I'm actually a fan of statistics... but not this one. Does the average advanced degree only take 1 year now? Pointing to the 30% graduation rate is basically stating that a grad transfer should be willing to pay for the remainder of their grad school expenses to finish the advanced degree.

I'm not sure what the point is - I had to pay for my graduate degree. If a student is claiming to be transferring to pursue a graduate degree not offered by their current school they know they only have one year of funding. If they are transferring and have no intention of paying for the remaining time than they are using this loophole for something other than the intended purpose - like maybe a chance to play at a more high profile program for a year. Which is exactly why it should be eliminated

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by NCkevi I'm not sure what the point is - I had to pay for my graduate degree. If a student is claiming to be transferring to pursue a graduate degree not offered by their current school they know they only have one year of funding. If they are transferring and have no intention of paying for the remaining time than they are using this loophole for something other than the intended purpose - like maybe a chance to play at a more high profile program for a year. Which is exactly why it should be eliminated

Or you could eliminate the farcical notion that is used for the grad transfer, thank the kid for putting in the effort in the classroom and on the court and wish them best of luck wherever they have chosen to go to grad school.

I assume you paid for your undergrad as well, it doesn't have any bearing on the scholarship players. While it is easily and often abused, a scholarship should be a good faith agreement that the athlete will put forth effort in the classroom and on the court in return for tuition, books, etc. I'm not sure how it is justified to hold it against someone if they decide they do not wish to stay longer. They are leaving with a degree. They fulfilled their obligation to graduate. Who are any of us to determine what they should pay for?

[flyerfan4life]

Can we start a "Graduate Transfer" thread for this? Or a separate thread about potential spring transfers & recruits?

[THirt]

I was surprised to see Kipper Nichols picked Tulane.

I have zero inside knowledge, but I wonder if he waited too long to pull the trigger. At one point, he had offers from the Flyers, Maryland, Northwestern, eggsavier, Penn State, several MAC schools... I'm not knocking Tulane, just seems like an odd choice for a Cleveland guy with several offers much closer to home. Good luck to him.

I'm hoping something will leak about a visitor to UD this weekend. Dallas Flyer, keep your ears up!
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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Alberto Strasse]

I'm not sure that UD men's program is an attractive draw to transfers right now. The roster is stacked for next year and PT will be hard to get. How many transfers are willing to wait their turn? The next sound you here is me knocking on wood.

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by THirt I was surprised to see Kipper Nichols picked Tulane. I have zero inside knowledge, but I wonder if he waited too long to pull the trigger. At one point, he had offers from the Flyers, Maryland, Northwestern, eggsavier, Penn State, several MAC schools... I'm not knocking Tulane, just seems like an odd choice for a Cleveland guy with several offers much closer to home. Good luck to him. I'm hoping something will leak about a visitor to UD this weekend. Dallas Flyer, keep your ears up! Posted via Mobile Device

This was a surprise, good luck to him

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse I'm not sure that UD men's program is an attractive draw to transfers right now. The roster is stacked for next year and PT will be hard to get. How many transfers are willing to wait their turn? The next sound you here is me knocking on wood.

Couldn't agree more. In todays world of playing time, playing time,playing time and more playing time, i can't help but wonder how the logjam of Miller,X, and Mikesell plays out. And how much longer is baby D willing to play second fiddle to KD, and Scoochie, the deserving starters? Especially if Crosby is as polished a point guard as I'm hearing. Who knows, good problem to have i guess.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 Couldn't agree more. In todays world of playing time, playing time,playing time and more playing time, i can't help but wonder how the logjam of Miller,X, and Mikesell plays out. And how much longer is baby D willing to play second fiddle to KD, and Scoochie, the deserving starters? Especially if Crosby is as polished a point guard as I'm hearing. Who knows, good problem to have i guess.

Is it okay to talk about this here or do we need to start another thread and only talk about actual transfers here?

Still too early but DD will either prove himself here and get significantly more playing time or will have to move down. Many players have to ask themselves - would you rather play 15-20 minutes at a school like Dayton or play 35 minutes at a Horizon or MAC school (or lower)?

[UDBrian]

I think D Davis will be a stud at UD. He has a great shot but he also has offensive creativity which can be hard to teach. As time goes on he will become a VERY difficult guy to stop when he really wants to score.

[priceg75]

So, we have some good recruits coming in and we're already talking about who is going to transfer out to ease the logjam? Maybe they could, I don't know, enroll first before we start down that path?

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse I'm not sure that UD men's program is an attractive draw to transfers right now. The roster is stacked for next year and PT will be hard to get. How many transfers are willing to wait their turn? The next sound you here is me knocking on wood.

Agreed at the guard and wing positions. I think we could be attractive to a big. I thought I heard at some point during the tournament an announcer say we were not starting anyone over 6'6.

I would think that any big that could really make a difference would be in very high demand. Finding one where the interest is mutual may not be easy. For all he did, I wouldn't be upset to see BW get a scholarship again.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse I'm not sure that UD men's program is an attractive draw to transfers right now. The roster is stacked for next year and PT will be hard to get. How many transfers are willing to wait their turn? The next sound you here is me knocking on wood.

It's a consideration that there's a lot of new faces coming in here, but Dayton has 6 or 7 guys if you count Cooke that are proven, and Archie has shown he will go as deep as his bench allows. The caliber of transfer Dayton is interested in, shouldn't be intimidated by that. With recent NCAA success, I think Dayton is more attractive to transfers than ever. But I do think the coaching staff is being ultra-picky, expressing interest in far fewer transfers, looking for a specific fit. That is the more likely impact of all the new guys in my opinion. That said, I think we will hear Dayton associated with a couple transfer names over the next couple weeks, and will bring one or two in for a visit.

[San Diego Flyer]

I like Darrell Davis and all the potential he has. However, I just watched 5 end of season games over again. And there are things that jump out about DD that one hopes will get better with mental and physical maturity. He is really a physically weak defender. He wanders away from his man. He shot 19% inside the arc. I recall that Scoochie had a lot of trouble finishing lane drives his Freshman year, but nothing like DD had this year.

He can be unstable with the ball when a physically strong defender is permitted a little bumping by the refs.

He was a great 6th man this year, but in need of development that only comes with maturity. He could light up the 3pt line, and on occasion his stroke could disappear. A game changer when it doesn't.

A great team guy with leadership qualities, but needs strength. I don't see him cracking the 4+Cooke lineup, but certainly would have a better chance than any likely transfer.

KD really has it going as a leader. Not likely he would be out of the starting lineup.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer I like Darrell Davis and all the potential he has. However, I just watched 5 end of season games over again. And there are things that jump out about DD that one hopes will get better with mental and physical maturity. He is really a physically weak defender. He wanders away from his man. He shot 19% inside the arc. I recall that Scoochie had a lot of trouble finishing lane drives his Freshman year, but nothing like DD had this year. He can be unstable with the ball when a physically strong defender is permitted a little bumping by the refs. He was a great 6th man this year, but in need of development that only comes with maturity. He could light up the 3pt line, and on occasion his stroke could disappear. A game changer when it doesn't. A great team guy with leadership qualities, but needs strength. I don't see him cracking the 4+Cooke lineup, but certainly would have a better chance than any likely transfer. KD really has it going as a leader. Not likely he would be out of the starting lineup.

Checks all the way down the line. I think his defense is his biggest weakness, and that comes from a lack of physical strength. When his man drives and he meets the guy at the baseline on a 50/50 play, his man is able to muscle the advantage away and get to the rim.

[Iguomaniac]

Darrell Davis will be fine. Go back and look at how few minutes Kyle Davis and Kendall Pollard played during their freshman season.

Darrell had some big games last season and will become a core part of the team as he adds strength and learns to play college-level defense. These are common problems that most freshman face, especially a young freshman that hasn't even turned 19 yet. He's going to be a big part of our success over the next three years.

[San Diego Flyer]

He had flashes that showed what he will give us the next 3 years. Can't wait to see it. But he played a lot of minutes because he had to. And he took advantage of the opportunity. Looking forward to his development.

[Alberto Strasse]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer I like Darrell Davis and all the potential he has. However, I just watched 5 end of season games over again. And there are things that jump out about DD that one hopes will get better with mental and physical maturity. He is really a physically weak defender. He wanders away from his man. He shot 19% inside the arc. I recall that Scoochie had a lot of trouble finishing lane drives his Freshman year, but nothing like DD had this year. He can be unstable with the ball when a physically strong defender is permitted a little bumping by the refs. He was a great 6th man this year, but in need of development that only comes with maturity. He could light up the 3pt line, and on occasion his stroke could disappear. A game changer when it doesn't. A great team guy with leadership qualities, but needs strength. I don't see him cracking the 4+Cooke lineup, but certainly would have a better chance than any likely transfer. KD really has it going as a leader. Not likely he would be out of the starting lineup.

Your assessment is quite accurate IMHO. One thing to remember is that a great deal of improvement occurs between the Freshman and Sophomore years. Another fact is that while only a Freshman Baby D earned two years of experience including an A-10 Championship game and an NCAA run. This will help him immensely. He also learned from Jordan Sibert the importance of the defensive stop and steal at "Winning time". I expect these lessons and his natural talent will serve him very well for UD at both ends of the court.

[sheg]

He played a lot of time at the point, which is not his best position, because of the lack of a backup. He played it fairly well considering.

His performance in the Oklahoma game was encouraging, and he got a lot more minutes than he had been averaging. I think that will give him a ton of confidence and motivation going into the off-season.

[DallasFlyer]

The way I see it -- Scoochie, Pollard and Pierre are fairly complete ball players. With Darrell Davis (defense, ability to drive/finish), Kyle Davis (consistency in shooting) and Charles Cooke (going off JMU stats, consistency in shooting) - there are some deficiencies. I don't know what we have with the freshman (including Big Steve) so can't say there, but if I were out there recruiting I think I would aim to add a transfer if I thought he were already a complete player at a position where I didn't have a proven, already-complete player: the 2 or 5. To further refine my search, I'd try to target a one-year or a two-year player to help balance classes. And a good character / chemistry fit of course. So that narrows the transfer target pool considerably. Now I might make an exception for a talent that was too good to pass up who didn't exactly fit that criteria in terms of years of eligibility or position, but I'd also be very comfortable relying on those almost-complete players who are getting better (KD, DD and CC) plus the freshman class/Steve if I didn't find the perfect transfer fit.

[Whacker]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Checks all the way down the line. I think his defense is his biggest weakness, and that comes from a lack of physical strength. When his man drives and he meets the guy at the baseline on a 50/50 play, his man is able to muscle the advantage away and get to the rim.

Agreed. Baby D just died on way too many screens this year. Although, that's less about strength and entirely about will.

On a side note, I think his handle is much better than he showed this year because his role was mainly to knock down jumpers. No question he can become a versatile scorer, but too crack the lineup and get major minutes he'll need to become at least an average defender.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by THirt I was surprised to see Kipper Nichols picked Tulane. I have zero inside knowledge, but I wonder if he waited too long to pull the trigger. At one point, he had offers from the Flyers, Maryland, Northwestern, eggsavier, Penn State, several MAC schools... I'm not knocking Tulane, just seems like an odd choice for a Cleveland guy with several offers much closer to home. Good luck to him. Posted via Mobile Device

Seemed like he was a pretty hot commodity late because he was playing really well so not sure whether more doors were closed, or more had opened, but perhaps his decision wasn't as much about basketball as it was finding that combo of social scene / fun (New Orleans), very good academics, and experiencing another part of the country that wasn't the Midwest. That combo plus immediate playing time maybe was exactly what Kipper wanted. Or maybe he looked at that list, and said "****, I'm just tired of living where it snows all the time." Who knows, but hope it works out for him. And if it doesn't he can always transfer back to the midwest.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer The way I see it -- Scoochie, Pollard and Pierre are fairly complete ball players. With Darrell Davis (defense, ability to drive/finish), Kyle Davis (consistency in shooting) and Charles Cooke (going off JMU stats, consistency in shooting) - there are some deficiencies. I don't know what we have with the freshman (including Big Steve) so can't say there, but if I were out there recruiting I think I would aim to add a transfer if I thought he were already a complete player at a position where I didn't have a proven, already-complete player: the 2 or 5. To further refine my search, I'd try to target a one-year or a two-year player to help balance classes. And a good character / chemistry fit of course. So that narrows the transfer target pool considerably. Now I might make an exception for a talent that was too good to pass up who didn't exactly fit that criteria in terms of years of eligibility or position, but I'd also be very comfortable relying on those almost-complete players who are getting better (KD, DD and CC) plus the freshman class/Steve if I didn't find the perfect transfer fit.

That pretty much covers it for transfer targets. This is one season where the primary goal is to not screw up 4 cohesive and talented starters, as opposed to trying to find transfers to build a lineup. Similar to what Arch had to do with Vee and Jordan. Those acquisitions were by necessity after losing so many players. Arch can afford to be specific and picky.

[DallasFlyer]

NEW TRANSFER TARGET ALERT:

Braeden Anderson, 6'9" Forward/Center from Fresno State.

Canadian kid and a one-time Kansas commit being recruited as a transfer by: Seton Hall, Arizona State, Buffalo, Alabama, Washington, Washington State, Dayton, Miami Ohio, Samford and Western Kentucky

Article: http://northpolehoops.com/2015/04/17.../#.VTE1ZiFViko

[DallasFlyer]

Interesting note about Braeden Anderson is that apparently he left the Fresno team to load up on coursework so as to graduate this Spring, and wants to go to law school. If he graduates from Fresno, given that he had a medical redshirt year, he would be the rare immediately-eligible grad transfer with two years of eligibility. In football, former Texas quarterback Garrett Gilbert was able to do this by graduating in 3 years having only played two in Austin, then transferring to SMU and playing two seasons. So it's definitely allowed by the NCAA.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2015/02/04/...l-forward.html

[rollo]

A couple years ago Julius Mays transferred from NCState to Wright State...after sitting out a year he started 1 year at WSU, graduated, and transferred to Kentucky where he ended up as a starter.

http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-..._julius00.html

[ud2]

Originally Posted by NCkevi I'm not sure what the point is - I had to pay for my graduate degree. If a student is claiming to be transferring to pursue a graduate degree not offered by their current school they know they only have one year of funding. If they are transferring and have no intention of paying for the remaining time than they are using this loophole for something other than the intended purpose - like maybe a chance to play at a more high profile program for a year. Which is exactly why it should be eliminated

I thought DallasFlyer posted that this year is the last year for 5th year transfers?

[ud2]

Yes, see post #77 in this thread:



"The NCAA put out a statement that AFTER this year, they will be putting an end to the immediate eligibility grad transfer waiver."



http://www.udpride.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=77

[DallasFlyer]

When I posted that, I thought it was being reported as a done deal, but it definitely sounds like there is pressure to get the rule eliminated, and it probably will happen. Kind of feels like the NCAA just wants to say they did something to address popular sentiment that there are too many kids transferring in general.

[CE80]

Is there confusion as to the rule change to the hardship waiver? I believe the NCAA eliminated the waiver allowing transfers to play immediately.

[flyerfan4life]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer NEW TRANSFER TARGET ALERT: Braeden Anderson, 6'9" Forward/Center from Fresno State. Canadian kid and a one-time Kansas commit being recruited as a transfer by: Seton Hall, Arizona State, Buffalo, Alabama, Washington, Washington State, Dayton, Miami Ohio, Samford and Western Kentucky Article: http://northpolehoops.com/2015/04/17.../#.VTE1ZiFViko

Thank you for a post that ACTUALLY pertains to the subject of the thread.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by flyerfan4life Thank you for a post that ACTUALLY pertains to the subject of the thread.

It would be more appropriate to hit the "Thanks" button rather than waste everyone's time by adding a post to thank someone.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by CE80 It would be more appropriate to hit the "Thanks" button rather than waste everyone's time by adding a post to thank someone.

I would like to thank CE80 for his post about not needing to create a new post when the 'thanks' button would suffice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NaQxUEfxt0

Ah, the off-season . . .

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[OSU Flyer]

Brad Winton ‏@JucoRecruiting

2015 John A Logan forward Russell Woods has committed to Missouri http://www.jucorecruiting.com/russell-woods-john-a-logan-basketball …

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 He played with KP in high school

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Russell Woods? Posted via Mobile Device

Was it Russell Woods? I guess there was a change of plans?

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Brad Winton ‏@JucoRecruiting 2015 John A Logan forward Russell Woods has committed to Missouri http://www.jucorecruiting.com/russell-woods-john-a-logan-basketball …

Plus a guard that played with him at the Juco school committed to Missouri too. The same day

[DallasFlyer]

Manu Lecomte has committed to Baylor.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...mits-to-baylor

[Flyer69ers]

Just for the heck of it I am posting this again - ignore it if you like.

It helps me get a little perspective/grounding

https://sites.google.com/site/udhoopsrecruiting/

[Swampy Meadows]

Jeff Goodman at ESPN.com tweeted that St. John's frosh Adonis De La Rosa is transferring. UD was on his list at one time

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Jeff Goodman at ESPN.com tweeted that St. John's frosh Adonis De La Rosa is transferring. UD was on his list at one time

One site has him at 6'10" 255....St. John's lists him at 7', 322...I say they're both partially right and 6'10" 322 is closer to reality.




"6'10" big man Adonis De La Rosa has decided to transfer from St. John's after not playing a single minute last season due to NCAA eligibility issues (partial qualifier and could only practice)."

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/201...-from-st-johns

2 questions:

1. Can partial qualifiers transfer and play immediately? (Read into that anything you want...)

1a) If 'yes', is Steve in trouble?
2a) If 'no', why are we still recruiting high-risk players?

2. Is he related to Big Steve?

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by rollo One site has him at 6'10" 255....St. John's lists him at 7', 322...I say they're both partially right and 6'10" 322 is closer to reality. "6'10" big man Adonis De La Rosa has decided to transfer from St. John's after not playing a single minute last season due to NCAA eligibility issues (partial qualifier and could only practice)." http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/201...-from-st-johns 2 questions: 1. Can partial qualifiers transfer and play immediately? (Read into that anything you want...) 1a) If 'yes', is Steve in trouble? 2a) If 'no', why are we still recruiting high-risk players? 2. Is he related to Big Steve?

I do not see anyone saying we are recruiting him now. He said we were recruiting him at 1 time.