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Are we going to cheer against Xavier in the NIT?
I'm cheering for them not to make the NIT. But if they make it, I'll be right there with you cheering them on to an embarrassing defeat.
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Hopefully _avier's late season momentum will put them in a play-in game.

But I'd prefer them to be an 11 with UD a 6.
It seems possible that UD could play X...5/12 or 6/11 or 7/10 or 8/9...seems possible that X could lose 2 or 3 more in the regular season...seems that the committee likes rivalry games like this.

Bracket matrix has X as a 7 now, UD an 8.

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Off topic here but does Vandy have any shot at the tourney? That would be bigger. A win against another tourney team.
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Dance Card has them basically in as of now:

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2/17-2/19

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VCU 84 @ Richmond 73
Davidson 79 @ UMass 74
Fordham 54 v. SLU 40
URI 77 @ George Mason 74
LaSalle 83 v. St. Joe's 68
GW 77 @ Duquesne 70

Flyer foes
Nebraska 58 @ Ohio St. 57
Winthrop 84 v. Liberty 67
Alabama 90 v. LSU 72
E. Tenn. St. 65 @ Chattanooga 51
Northwestern 69 v. Rutgers 65
Fresno St. 71 v. New Mexico 61
Samford 80 v. VMI 61
Austin Peay 92 v. SIU-E'ville 84
Vanderbilt 71 v. #21 S. Carolina 62
#22 St. Mary's 70 @ BYU 57
San Francisco 65 @ Portland 51

Bubble teams
Kent St. 70 @ Akron 67
Stanford 73 v. Cal 68
Miami 71 v. Clemson 65
#2 Villanova 92 @ Seton Hall 70
#12 Duke 99 v. Wake Forest 94
#8 Louisville 94 v. Va. Tech 90
Tennessee 90 v. Mizzou 70
Kansas St. 64 @ Texas 61
#9 W. Virginia 83 v. Texas Tech 74 (2OT)
UT-Arlington 68 @ Georgia St. 67
#16 Purdue 80 v. Michigan St. 63
Pitt 80 v. #17 Florida St. 66
UNC-Wilmington 83 @ Hofstra 76
Wichita St. 73 v. N. Iowa 44
#13 Kentucky 82 @ Georgia 77
Arkansas 98 v. Ole Miss 80
Iowa St. 84 v. TCU 71
Middle Tenn. 97 @ Marshall 86
Marquette 83 v. Xavier 61
Nevada 77 v. Utah St. 66
#6 UCLA 102 v. USC 70
#20 Creighton 87 v. Georgetown 70
Illinois St. 65 v. Loyola 63
Georgia Tech 71 v. Syracuse 65
Minnesota 83 v. Michigan 78 (OT)
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Did anyone watch the Minnesota/Michigan game on the BTN? It was a highly entertaining game. Wondering if anyone else heard the play by play guy, not sure of his name, when there was an out of bounds review with under 2 to go in regulation. He said the refs are going to review this to see who the ball went out on because the Big 10 is one of two conferences that allow officials to do this. I even rewound and listened again to see if that's indeed what he said. Doesn't the entire NCAA D1 have this as a procedure?
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I did watch that, and you are right about the rule. I didn't hear them say that.

I did, however, hear the PBP guy ask the color guy what the Michigan coach was talking about during a timeout on a late possession in regulation when Minnesota had the ball up 3. And hand to God, he said "he's talking about what kind of defense to play on this possession".

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Actually, that might've been during Utah-Oregon State, they were both terrible.
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Nothing of direct impact on UD this evening, but some games that could impact UD's ranking or seeding down the road:

BC @ #17 Florida St we can dream of the upset, but that is about it, BC is terrible
Miami @ #14 Virginia - probably too late for UD to pass Virginia in the polls or seedline baring a complete collapse, Miami is somewhere around the back of the bubble, I say go Hoos and keep them there.

Texas @ #9 WVU. See the FSU comment above, nice to dream but ain't happening

Iowa St @ Texas Tech ISU appears headed to the dance and in the same range as UD in both the rankings and bracketology, while Texas Tech is on the outside and needs a lot to go right just to get back in the picture. Go Red Raiders.
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Nothing of direct impact on UD this evening, but some games that could impact UD's ranking or seeding down the road:
UD needs top-50 wins. Anything that keeps Vandy in the top 50 (currently 49) and anything that helps URI (currently 51) is worth rooting for. Also, AAC and A-10 are in a virtual tie for 7th best conference. Anything that helps the A-10 or hurts the AAC is good as well.
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^^ which is why I said, no direct effect on UD, ie there is no one playing tonight that UD has played in the past, but I listed the games that have as close an indirect impact on them as possible tonight.
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2/20

Flyer foes
Portland 96 v. Walla Walla U. 58

Bubble teams
Miami 54 @ Virginia 48 (OT)
UT-Arlington 81 @ Ga. Southern 71
Iowa St. 82 @ Texas Tech 80 (OT)
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2/20

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Portland 96 v. Walla Walla U. 58

Bubble teams
Miami 54 @ Virginia 48 (OT)
UT-Arlington 81 @ Ga. Southern 71
Iowa St. 82 @ Texas Tech 80 (OT)
That Miami vs Virginia game set basketball back 70 years. Even Doris Burks and Sean McDonough couldn't sugar coat it. When it was tied at 43 at end of regulation, Sean said the first team to 45 should win!
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That Miami vs Virginia game set basketball back 70 years. Even Doris Burks and Sean McDonough couldn't sugar coat it. When it was tied at 43 at end of regulation, Sean said the first team to 45 should win!
I turned it on and the score was 37-33. I saw something like 5 min on the clock. Figure it was the 1st half. Then I saw the 2nd half. I did a double take.
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I did the same thing, however turning my game on just at the start of OT, I was trying to figure out why there was a jump ball to start the 2nd half, then quickly remembered it was Virginia and it all made sense.

Tonight:

Rhody is @ LaSalle, I think LaSalle was a little banged up a few games ago, don't know if that is still the case but we need Rhody, this would push them back up into the top 50

Monmouth @ Fairlfield Monmouth is kind of a fringey bubble team, only if the committee gets sick of deciding b/w the 11th ACC team and the 8th B12 team. They don't have the paper but not that far off it.

Clemson @ VTech, hoping for a Clemson roadie
South Carolina @ Florida, can't catch the Gators, the Cocks are somewhere around UD at the moment, hope the gators eat well tonight.
Davidson @ Richmond, both are close to the top 100 projected, Richmond has the easier path after this one, so I'm rooting for them.
St John's @ Marquette, go Johnies
Northwestern @ Illinois, torn here, a win for Northwestern helps UD's SOS directly, however they seem to be around the same seed line/ranking at UD for the moment, so a road loss would help UD
NC State @ GTech, not really sure why Tech is on the bubble, but NC State could eliminate that; don't see how though, they don't appear to have any fight in them.
Colorado St @ New mexico. New Mexico could get pretty darn close to the top 50 if they win out, which is feasible based upon their remaining 3 games (finish up @ Wyoming and home vs SD State after this one) That could be sneaky good; they have beaten all 3 of these teams already this season, hope that continues.
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I think VT winning is better. Clemson is getting close to the bubble. I think VT is solidly in so rather than introduce another bubble team, I'd concede the seed line to VT.
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If we only knew how UD would finish, it would be much easier. I'm still hoping that they win out and can garner a 6 seed. tough finish however, so I'd expect at least 1 more loss down the stretch than I'd expect an undefeated finish to the regular season.
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Go Fairfield. Monmouth is rudely taking up a top 50 RPI slot that could go to the Rams of Rhode Island. Would be nice for URI to rack up a few wins. Gotta root for Bona, Richmond, and LaSalle to stay in the top 100, too. For sure want Rhody to beat LaSalle today however.
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Go Fairfield. Monmouth is rudely taking up a top 50 RPI slot that could go to the Rams of Rhode Island. Would be nice for URI to rack up a few wins. Gotta root for Bona, Richmond, and LaSalle to stay in the top 100, too. For sure want Rhody to beat LaSalle today however.
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Go Fairfield. Monmouth is rudely taking up a top 50 RPI slot that could go to the Rams of Rhode Island. Would be nice for URI to rack up a few wins. Gotta root for Bona, Richmond, and LaSalle to stay in the top 100, too. For sure want Rhody to beat LaSalle today however.
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I never thought about rooting against teams that would displace the teams we want in the top 50, 100. This is getting too complicated. I am afraid that in the heat of the moment while watching a close game, I may root for the wrong team.
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I am afraid that in the heat of the moment while watching a close game, I may root for the wrong team.
Yeah, that would really stink......as it has such an impact on the actual outcome of the game.
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Yeah, that would really stink......as it has such an impact on the actual outcome of the game.
Yes, kind of like Saturday when I wore my blue sweatshirt instead of the home red one. If we lost that one I would have had to put my name up on Rollo's poll for whose fault it was.
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Yes, kind of like Saturday when I wore my blue sweatshirt instead of the home red one. If we lost that one I would have had to put my name up on Rollo's poll for whose fault it was.
A couple years ago, I wore the wrong socks and Ole Miss dropped right out of the top 50 RPI. We ended up the last team in. Sorry about that.
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Yes, kind of like Saturday when I wore my blue sweatshirt instead of the home red one. If we lost that one I would have had to put my name up on Rollo's poll for whose fault it was.
I was almost on that list once...
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Nah. Wasnt even close.
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Rhody beats Lasalle - may put them in top 50. Richmond beating Davidson also helps.
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Clemson is the unluckiest team in college basketball.
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Richmond wins 84-76 over Davidson.

Gibbs was held to 12 points and is wearing a mask for a broken nose.
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Richmond wins 84-76 over Davidson.

Gibbs was held to 12 points and is wearing a mask for a broken nose.
Gibbs will be loaded for bear on Friday. Nothing like a motivated player.
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Clemson is the unluckiest team in college basketball.

4-11 in the ACC and gathering steam on the Bubble with all these close losses! LOL
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Gibbs will be loaded for bear on Friday. Nothing like a motivated player.
Gibbs took a shot like Kyle at the end of that game. Already wearing a mask. Would not shock me if he sat out.
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Gibbs took a shot like Kyle at the end of that game. Already wearing a mask. Would not shock me if he sat out.
That would be great for us. However, two years ago their best player did not play, and they beat us like a drum.
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4-11 in the ACC and gathering steam on the Bubble with all these close losses! LOL
But they are GOOD losses!
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That would be great for us. However, two years ago their best player did not play, and they beat us like a drum.
They had a better supporting cast that year. This year it is basically Gibbs and Aldridge and that is it. They do not win many games when one or both of them don't hit their averages.
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Akron loses again. They'll likely drop out of the top-50, and bump Vanderbilt up to 49. URI also moved into the top-50 with their road win.
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Only, well, because...

North Carolina State 71
(at) Georgia Tech 69

And 'twas a bit of an upset, because Dance Card had NCST at 113 and GT at 47, and the game was in Atlanta.

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I'm not sure that is all that bad. UDs issue is not SOS it's quality wins and UD and northwestern are close to the same seed line in most brackets.
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That would be great for us. However, two years ago their best player did not play, and they beat us like a drum.
That best player was Gibbs.
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Well, THAT sucks!
Not really. Northwestern isn't going to fall out of the top 60 RPI so the loss won't matter much, however, they were fighting with us for seeding and this helps us get a better seed.
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Northwestern loses at Illinois 66-50
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2/21

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Rhode Island 67 @ LaSalle 56
Richmond 84 v. Davidson 76

Flyer foes
Illinois 66 v. Northwestern 50
Colorado St. 68 @ New Mexico 56

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Va. Tech 71 v. Clemson 70
#14 Purdue 74 @ Penn St. 70 (OT)
Monmouth 82 @ Fairfield 62
NC State 71 @ Georgia Tech 69
Marquette 93 v. St. John's 71
#25 Wichita St. 109 v. Evansville 83
Ole Miss 87 @ Mississippi St. 82 (OT)
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That best player was Gibbs.
Not so sure about that, Kalinoski was A10 player of the year.
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Not so sure about that, Kalinoski was A10 player of the year.
Kalinoski played, Gibbs didn't

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-davidson.html
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Kalinoski played, Gibbs didn't

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-davidson.html
I knew that but you said Gibbs was their best player. I don't think he was. I think Kalinoski was and so did the voters for the POY.

Not trying to pick a fight. Just trying to set the record straight.
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Big night of hoops

Vandy @ Tennessee Obviously its good for UD if Vandy wins, Vandy still has @ UK and home to Florida left, if they want to any shot of sneaking in, they'll need one of those, plus this game as well as their 4 remaining game (forget who but a winnable home game) to even been in the picture. Tennessee is on the edge of the bubble, and not the right edge, can't afford to let a home game slip away.

Michigan @ Rutgers... Rutgers is at home, but that is all that got going for them, Michigan has been poor away from home all season, but again, this is @ Rutgers.

Furman @ ETSU If Furman wins this, they'll all but wrap up the 1 seed and home court advantage, if ETSU wins, they will own the tie breaker, a little tougher road to close out the season but path to their 1 seed and hosting their conference tournament. May even be able to push a top 50 rpi rating if they can win this, win out, get the 1 seed and win their conference tournament, which would be good for our Flyers.

So Illinois vs Illinois St, Illinois st, on the bubble has been sneaking by as of late, I'd imagine this is a rivalry, so expect a hard fought game.

Pitt @ Wake... in the battle towards the back of the ACC, the winner stays on the bubble, while the loser gets to "gain steam"

Xavier @ Seton Hall.. Don't know if Bluiett will play, Xavier is in a tail spin a bit, and around the same seed line as UD in a lot of brackets.

TCU @ Kansas Kansas should roll, but a TCU upset would push them to the right side of the bubble

Duke @ Syracuse... Syracuse is out of it for now, but this is the kind of win that would push them right back into the conversation.

St Louie @ VCU
Fordham @ Duquesne
Minnesota @ #23 maryland Probably want Maryland to win, though there are merits both ways for UD

aTm @ Arkansas Arkansas keeps hanging around
#6 Oregon @ Cal Cal keeps hanging around
Okie St @ Kansas St Root for KState as its better for UD's ranking hopes and seeding hopes at the moment

#22 Butler @ #2 Nova Guess we want Nova to win, not that a loss is all that damaging
Providence @ #23 Creighton Providence is bubble, Creighton is struggling a bit since they lost their PG, a chance for UD to pass them both in seeding and ranking if UD keeps winning.

#7 Louisville @ #8 Carolina Just because
Boise St @ Nevada winner gets an upper hand in the race for the mountain west, Colorado St is 1/2 game above both, not sure about tie breakers
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That would be great for us. However, two years ago their best player did not play, and they beat us like a drum.
Yep, it was Gibbs who did not play, not Kalinowski, their best player. Nonetheless they beat us like a drum, by 17, with Kalinowski and Freshman Aldridge and several no names, including Ekwu, who started for them. So yes, with or without Gibbs, it will be a tough environment and game.

Besides I am sure the swim team in their speedos will all be back!
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Big night of hoops

Vandy @ Tennessee Obviously its good for UD if Vandy wins, Vandy still has @ UK and home to Florida left, if they want to any shot of sneaking in, they'll need one of those, plus this game as well as their 4 remaining game (forget who but a winnable home game) to even been in the picture. Tennessee is on the edge of the bubble, and not the right edge, can't afford to let a home game slip away.

Michigan @ Rutgers... Rutgers is at home, but that is all that got going for them, Michigan has been poor away from home all season, but again, this is @ Rutgers.

Furman @ ETSU If Furman wins this, they'll all but wrap up the 1 seed and home court advantage, if ETSU wins, they will own the tie breaker, a little tougher road to close out the season but path to their 1 seed and hosting their conference tournament. May even be able to push a top 50 rpi rating if they can win this, win out, get the 1 seed and win their conference tournament, which would be good for our Flyers.

So Illinois vs Illinois St, Illinois st, on the bubble has been sneaking by as of late, I'd imagine this is a rivalry, so expect a hard fought game.

Pitt @ Wake... in the battle towards the back of the ACC, the winner stays on the bubble, while the loser gets to "gain steam"

Xavier @ Seton Hall.. Don't know if Bluiett will play, Xavier is in a tail spin a bit, and around the same seed line as UD in a lot of brackets.

TCU @ Kansas Kansas should roll, but a TCU upset would push them to the right side of the bubble

Duke @ Syracuse... Syracuse is out of it for now, but this is the kind of win that would push them right back into the conversation.

St Louie @ VCU
Fordham @ Duquesne
Minnesota @ #23 maryland Probably want Maryland to win, though there are merits both ways for UD

aTm @ Arkansas Arkansas keeps hanging around
#6 Oregon @ Cal Cal keeps hanging around
Okie St @ Kansas St Root for KState as its better for UD's ranking hopes and seeding hopes at the moment

#22 Butler @ #2 Nova Guess we want Nova to win, not that a loss is all that damaging
Providence @ #23 Creighton Providence is bubble, Creighton is struggling a bit since they lost their PG, a chance for UD to pass them both in seeding and ranking if UD keeps winning.

#7 Louisville @ #8 Carolina Just because
Boise St @ Nevada winner gets an upper hand in the race for the mountain west, Colorado St is 1/2 game above both, not sure about tie breakers
Thanks for doing these every day. It's a fun read. Like yesterday, root against Nevada since they currently occupy a top 50 RPI spot. Go Broncos.
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Well, THAT sucks!
Not really. It's always going to be perceived as a "good loss" on UD's resume, regardless. I bet we pass them in this week's seed line from the talking heads and pundits.
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Vandy wins at Tennessee 67-56. The Volunteer fans and players both lost their cool the last minute of the game. Players visibly protesting every call and a fan threw a water bottle at the Vandy bench from 40 rows up.
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And the school down south lost again. Boo hoo.
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Other bubble teams starting to line up with some big wins tonight...See Syracuse, Seton Hall and Providence.
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Other bubble teams starting to line up with some big wins tonight...See Syracuse...
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And the school down south lost again. Boo hoo.
Just a **** shame. So sad. I hope they don't make the Tournament. Atleast its a real possibility now.
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Just a **** shame. So sad. I hope they don't make the Tournament. Atleast its a real possibility now.
I don't know, man. They're currently #22 in UD Pride RPI, 18-10 overall, 0-5 v. top 25, 3-7 v. top 50, 5-7 in their last 12, and on a four-game losing streak. Their nice blend of good losses and apparent gaining steam is tough to overlook.
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Fordham 70 @ Duquesne 52
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#6 Oregon 68 @ Cal 65
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Providence 68 @ #23 Creighton 66
Michigan 68 @ Rutgers 64
Wake Forest 63 v. Pitt 59
Illinois St. 50 v. S. Illinois 46
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Most take pleasure in Xavier losing which I get...I tend to root for most catholics, even the jesuits but I get the pleasure in watching them lose. However, I don't like them losing at the hands of other bubble teams. I think the chance of Xavier's nose dive to take them totally out is insanely slim whereas a late push by Seton Hall and Providence could push them past us (especially if we don't finish strong in the next 3). I'm at the point where I want the teams firmly in to keep winning and let the bubble teams fall out. Our lack of the 'signature win' still scares the hell out of me despite where the experts put us. Win the next 2 and I feel much, much better...especially March 1.
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Most take pleasure in Xavier losing which I get...I tend to root for most catholics, even the jesuits but I get the pleasure in watching them lose. However, I don't like them losing at the hands of other bubble teams. I think the chance of Xavier's nose dive to take them totally out is insanely slim whereas a late push by Seton Hall and Providence could push them past us (especially if we don't finish strong in the next 3). I'm at the point where I want the teams firmly in to keep winning and let the bubble teams fall out. Our lack of the 'signature win' still scares the hell out of me despite where the experts put us. Win the next 2 and I feel much, much better...especially March 1.
I also think X is in and I don't really take any joy out of them losing because of the injuries. Losing yes but not because of the injuries.

The Big East seems to do this every year. The teams on the bubble beat the teams solidly in. ****es me off.
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I would be pi$$ed at the Musties losing to a bubble team, but I have a friend from my UD days who went to Seton Hall later and wound up getting a Divinity degree, and is now a priest in the Newark archdiocese, so to root against The Hall is, for me, like rooting against God (MAJOR no-no there).

No, the one that really urinates me off from last night is that Providence/Creighton score. The Friars had the played themselves almost to the wrong side of the bubble, and then the Blue Jays (a solid 4-7 Seed) go and give them renewed hope, in Omaha no less!
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The scary part is that all of these bubbles teams like Providence and Seton Hall that are making late moves is that they are all picking quality wins against top 50 (sometimes top 25) which is what we are sorely lacking.
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My sister went to Seton Hall and I root for them when it does not affect the Flyers but even God would understand taking care of your alma mater first.
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Xavier may be quickly moving into bubble status that even a solid RPI and SOS may not save. Remember when we lost Chris Wright. Losing 3 starters may keep them out of the NCAA for the first time in like a million years.

While Xavier was sh!tt!ng the bed...
back to the Flyers who currently are 3-3 against the coveted Top 50 rpi.

Here are the most important resume games (schedules) for Dayton at this point:

Rhode Island: VCU, @SJU, & DAV

Using rpiforecast calculator:
If URI finishes 2-1 they will head into the A10 tourney with an RPI between 44-46.

Vandy: MISS STATE, @Kentucky, FLA

If Vandy finishes 1-2 as predicted they will head into the A10 tourney with an RPI of 51 (right on the edge). If they somehow finish 2-1 they will be solidly at a 40ish RPI and will add to our Top 50 rpi wins.

This means while the committee is going through the first phases of bracketing 3/6-3/10 Dayton will have at least 2 top 50 wins and potentially 4 top 50 wins (if we take care of VCU on senior night).

This could move us into the 6-7 line.
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Hope you're right UD90...I'm not as optimistic we can be that high (6) unless we win out now and in pitt. The committee left us out B-Rob's senior year because we went 8-8 including very bad losses in conference, but I don't wanna get into that again!
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I don't take any pleasure over Xavier's slide. They've been decimated by injuries. There but for the grace of God go I.
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After URI, we have avoided the land mines - at SLU, SBU, GM. A loss in any of these 3 would have been significant. VCU game is huge, not only for conf title but to show they are not better than us. A loss at Davidson or GW would not be good but 1 would not be crippling.
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I have to believe Zavier is gripping right now. Remaining games:

Vs. Butler - Loss
Vs. Marquette - probable loss
At DePaul - win

BE tournament:

First Round vs Creighton? - loss

That puts them at 19-13 and 1-7 in their last 8 games. Welcome to the NIT!!
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but marquette winning isnt good for us so I'm not necessarily rooting for that picture just because it hurts xavier. I care a lot more about us being in a good situation than Xavier being in a bad one.
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The vibes I am feeling is that the power conferences will suck up nearly all the at-large bids this year. For example, after the 'Cuse win over Duke last night, many folks have the Orange back in the bracket. Syracuse currently has a RPI of 78. The worst at-large RPI teams in the history of the tournament are USC in 2011 at 67, Marquette at 64 in 2011, NC State at 63 in 2005, and Stanford at 63 in 2007. No team with an RPI in the 70s has ever been an at-large.

Of course, anybody who can beat Duke, has to be tournament worthy - NOT.
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I have to believe Zavier is gripping right now. Remaining games:
At DePaul - win
DePaul:

-beat Georgetown last night at Georgetown
-also beat Providence in Chicago.
-lost by only 3 at Villanova.

Just sayin'.
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DePaul:

-beat Georgetown last night at Georgetown
-also beat Providence in Chicago.
-lost by only 3 at Villanova.

Just sayin'.
DePaul has definitely improved. It may not totally reflect it in their standing in the league, but they have. They have been playing a lot more close games this year. Granted those are still losses, but they are playing much better.
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The vibes I am feeling is that the power conferences will suck up nearly all the at-large bids this year. For example, after the 'Cuse win over Duke last night, many folks have the Orange back in the bracket. Syracuse currently has a RPI of 78. The worst at-large RPI teams in the history of the tournament are USC in 2011 at 67, Marquette at 64 in 2011, NC State at 63 in 2005, and Stanford at 63 in 2007. No team with an RPI in the 70s has ever been an at-large.

Of course, anybody who can beat Duke, has to be tournament worthy - NOT.
According to jerry Palm, whom I trust in this case, the highest ever at large was New Mexico with a 74, last season Syracuse was a 72 when they got in
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Hope you're right UD90...I'm not as optimistic we can be that high (6) unless we win out now and in pitt. The committee left us out B-Rob's senior year because we went 8-8 including very bad losses in conference, but I don't wanna get into that again!
Your are correct, but the talk was if Chris Wright could come back and look good in the A10 tourney we might get a break. He didn't come back and look 100% in the A10 tourney and we didn't get a break.

Xavier is 8-7 and looking at potentially a 8-10 or 10-8 record without talent coming back. I do feel for them, but they are not a NCAA team right now nor will they be in March.
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According to jerry Palm, whom I trust in this case, the highest ever at large was New Mexico with a 74, last season Syracuse was a 72 when they got in
This is accurate
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Your are correct, but the talk was if Chris Wright could come back and look good in the A10 tourney we might get a break. He didn't come back and look 100% in the A10 tourney and we didn't get a break.

Xavier is 8-7 and looking at potentially a 8-10 or 10-8 record without talent coming back. I do feel for them, but they are not a NCAA team right now nor will they be in March.
Chris Wright didn't look 100% in the A10 tourney because he didn't play in the A10 tourney in the year you're referring to.
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Chris Wright didn't look 100% in the A10 tourney because he didn't play in the A10 tourney in the year you're referring to.
Thank you for the clarification. I didn't think he played. I remember he played in the NIT game that year (I think at Illinois State), but couldn't remember if he actually played in the A10. That is why I stated "He didn't come back and look 100% in the A10 tourney" because I figured if he did come back and look 100% I would've remembered him playing well.
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but marquette winning isnt good for us so I'm not necessarily rooting for that picture just because it hurts xavier. I care a lot more about us being in a good situation than Xavier being in a bad one.
Understood, but when it comes to Zavier I practice the ancient German philosophy of schadenfreude.
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Wright did not play in the 1st round of the NIT, played small handful of minutes against Illini St in round 2, then played significantly more against OSU. Not only did Wright not look 100% for the conference tournament, he was never 100% for the NIT and had UD made the NCAA there was a decent chance he never would have suited up for a game. UD's biggest issue that season in terms of getting in, aside from the injuries was dropping several games down the stretch to teams no where near the NIT bubble. Xavier might be losing while Bluiett sits out, but at least their lossing to teams who will play in the postseason somewhere.

Its very refreshing to have a coach that has been able to pick up the pieces the last 3 seasons despite expulsions, injuries and even deaths and found a way to pick up victories on a consistent basis.
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According to jerry Palm, whom I trust in this case, the highest ever at large was New Mexico with a 74, last season Syracuse was a 72 when they got in
I believe you, but I was looking at Palm also - before last year.

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Based on Kenpom rankings - Dayton would be favored in all but two of Xavier's wins (Creighton - who I believe lost some players when Xavier beat them and Wake Forest Kenpom #33 - we are #34). Those are their nest wins.

My only point is losing to a bunch of good teams doesn't always get you in. The NBE is not looked at in the same light as the P5 conferences despite what our friends down south may have to say about it. If Xavier doesn't get to .500 in their conference I don't see them making the NCAA. Just my opinion.
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If X were to actually lose out the rest of the season, that would mean finishing the season with 9? straight losses including one and done in the conference tournament. I would think that the human element would out weigh the rip/palm/etc. numbers and X would be out. I would "almost" say the same thing for Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc.
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Before the Duke game, Syracuse had lost three in a row, including Pitt and GT. After beating Duke, its as if those three losses never happened.

They have still lost 3 of their last 4. But this is what beating Duke does to your profile. It wipes away all other negatives and demonstrates "upside" and "potential".

If Dayton played Duke, Louisville, UNC, ND, FSU, Miami, Virginia, VT at home, we'd win a good chunk of those games too -- certainly enough to be singled out for it.
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The difference with Xavier and "Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc." is those teams aren't close to going .500 in their conference and they are from P5 conferences. I just don't see quality wins on their resume. I also could see them struggle to get to 9-9. They are 8-7 with 3 games left. Butler (Sunday) is a must win in my opinion for them. Then they have Marquette and finish on the road at Depaul.

If they win Sunday - I think they are solid. If they lose - I don't see them getting in over a "Syracuse" for example. We may get to watch them play in Dayton again if they lose Sunday and make it.
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Before the Duke game, Syracuse had lost three in a row, including Pitt and GT. After beating Duke, its as if those three losses never happened.

They have still lost 3 of their last 4. But this is what beating Duke does to your profile. It wipes away all other negatives and demonstrates "upside" and "potential".

If Dayton played Duke, Louisville, UNC, ND, FSU, Miami, Virginia, VT at home, we'd win a good chunk of those games too -- certainly enough to be singled out for it.
Agreed, huge advantage to get top schools at home. Can you imagine if Dayton had 10 games versus top 50 opponents at UD Arena every year. Guaranteed 6-7 top 25/50 wins.

Committee needs to start taking into account location. Syracuse's home win versus Duke slightly easier than Dayton's road win at Alabama. So even though Dayton's win objectively slightly more difficult and should be slightly more valued, Syracuse will get 100x the credit for the home win.

If the Committee changes anything, needs to take into account location making a home win versus #25 equivalent to a neutral win versus #50 equivalent to a road win versus #75. Also needs to encourage P5 schools to take home and homes versus teams like Dayton, Wichita St., SMU, St. Mary's, etc.

Don't think Committee is purposely biasing P5 schools, they just are not sophisticated enough to understand the implicit basis in top 25/50/100 wins and the massive advantage P5 schools have with a ton of those games at home. All the advanced metrics leaders made this point clearly when they visited with the Committee weeks ago. Hopefully they internalize this for the 2017 and 2018 season including how they present the data. They should go to A wins (top 25 home, top 50 neutral, top 75 road), B wins (top 75 home, top 100 neutral, top 125 road), etc. as a first step. Even though this would be an improvement, it still makes small differences matter a lot (49 neutral and 51 neutral team difference is basically zero but one win would be an A win and the other a B win). But it would be big progress.

Dayton's best wins by far this year are @Rhode Island which is equivalent of beating North Carolina at UD Arena and @Bama which is equivalent of beating Baylor at UD Arena. If we beat NC and Baylor at UD Arena, under the current Committee focus, Dayton would be a lock.

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Rue, you hit the nail on the head. If the committee made that simple change then most of the problems with the RPI would be resolved. I know there is a formula that can be used to determine the value of a road win vs a certain RPI team.
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Bama loses to Georgia and Nebraska loses to Michigan State.
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Michigan St. 88 v. Nebraska 72
Georgia 60 @ Alabama 55
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Bama loses to Georgia and Nebraska loses to Michigan State.
Generally a bad night for Flyer foes. Just gotta control what we can, which means getting a W at Davidson tonight.
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OSU took down Wisconsin with ease. They looked very good. They will keep Matta around a little longer.
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OSU took down Wisconsin with ease. They looked very good. They will keep Matta around a little longer.
Matta won't be fired any time soon. When he leaves it'll be medically driven. They showed a stat last night of Most Wins by a Coach under 50 years old and Matta had like 100 more than anyone else. They joked that if he got fired he'd be rehired by someone in 5 min, and he would.
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Vandy wins at Tennessee 67-56. The Volunteer fans and players both lost their cool the last minute of the game. Players visibly protesting every call and a fan threw a water bottle at the Vandy bench from 40 rows up.
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Bama looked terrible in the first half. Their solution to Georgia's zone defense was to shot 3 pointers early in the shot clock. When those were not falling, they attempted to fix things by shooting even longer 3 pointers even earlier in the shot clock. They fixed things at half time and clawed their way back into it, but had too much ground to make up. They've got a lot of length and a couple of kids that can fill it up, they play tough defense and rebound the ball well; they'll be a threat in the SEC tournament if they can play better, smarter, team ball.
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Other than our Flyers, like most friday's its a rather quite night in terms of the bracket/top 25 implications. However, if you are fan of the Horizon, its a very interesting night.

I don't know about tie breakers, but Valpo is at Wright St (doing very well under their new coach) and Oakland is at Green Bay. Valpo currently has a 1 game lead over Oakland, and 2 over GB. None of them are going to get an at large bid.

Elsewhere, Sienna is @ monmouth (top 50) but I wouldn't expect an upset.
Akron (projected around the mid 50s) is at Buffalo, perhaps they'll get some bad wings prior to tip off.
Oregon St is @ bubbly Cal, doubt they'll pick up their 2nd conference win tonight.

Saturday

VCU @ Rhody is the biggest game with the most direct impact on UD. Depending on Friday, the outcome of this game could potentially set up a clinching scenario for the A10 by themselves for either VCU or UD. Aside from that an Rhody win would essentially lock up a top 50 rpi spot for Rhody and put them in a good spot to get one of the last bids. A VCU win likely lockes them up for a top 25 spot and probably locks them into the tournament.

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UVA is @ NC State, UVA has been struggling of late, can NC State pull another upset? If UD wins out, perhaps they can pass UVA, something I didn't think possible a few weeks ago should they drop a game like this

#25 Wichita @ Missouri St, only b/c they are on the road
#17 SMU @ UConn, UConn is starting to play a litter better and is at home
#19 FSU @ Clemson, I think the outcome on friday will dictate who we root for
Tennesee @ South Carolina, does SC continue the slide?
Texas Tech @ Okie St
#12 WVU @ TCU
#13 Florida @ #11 UK, just because
Illinois St @ Northern Iowa, potential bubble burst here at a tough place to play
Richmond @ Fordham
#23 Creighton @ #2 Nova
#9 Baylor @ Iowa St (go Baylor)
Duquesne @ Bona

Miss St @ Vandy, a win here pretty well locks Vandy up for a top 50 spot, plus perhaps an NIT bid. With Florida & UK on their remaining schedule, only upside from here.

Purdon't @ Michigan probably want Purdon't to win
Marquette @ Providence, very bubbly
#10 Duke @ Miami probably rooting for Kennard & co.
VTech @ BC, BC is terrible, but at home
St Joes @ St Louie, the Phils are beat up, Louis is terrible but at home. Want SLU
Winthrop @ Presbyterian
VMI @ UNC Greensboro
Austin Peay @ SE Missouri St
Iowa @ #24 Maryland
New Mexico @ Wyoming, tough place to play
East Tennessee St @ W Carolina
Bama @ aTm
Northwestern @ Indiana, probably want Indiana, though depends on friday
#5 UCLA @ #4 Zona, just because
Santa Clara @ #20 St Mary's

Sunday:

circling back to the Horizon talk: Valpo @ NKU who is doing well and may determine their 1 seed

LaSalle @ Umass
Mason @ GW
Syracuse @ #7 louisville
#15 Cincy @ UCF, tougher game for UC than it appears on paper
#22 Butler @ X rooting for Butler for all kinds of reasons

Monmouth @ Iona rivalry game for sure given last season and a chance for Monmouth to lock up a top 50 rpi spot

#16 Wisky @ MSU
Houston @ Memphis, Houston is projecting out right about 50th
Tech @ #21 Notre Dame
USC @ Arizona St, hopeing for a home upset
Illinois @ Nebraska
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Bama looked terrible in the first half. Their solution to Georgia's zone defense was to shot 3 pointers early in the shot clock. When those were not falling, they attempted to fix things by shooting even longer 3 pointers even earlier in the shot clock. They fixed things at half time and clawed their way back into it, but had too much ground to make up. They've got a lot of length and a couple of kids that can fill it up, they play tough defense and rebound the ball well; they'll be a threat in the SEC tournament if they can play better, smarter, team ball.
They were only down 1 late, then Dazon Ingram fouled out, and they looked totally lost in the last minute on offense. I don't think they scored after he left.
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Ingram is a really good offensive player, they were settling too much and not allowing him to find lanes to slash thru. I didn't see the end, but he's their best player, though at times it seems like Avery's son thinks he's the best player and gets selfish on the team, which as a PG hurts their flow.
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Siena 63, Monmouth 64 with 6:02 to go. Looks like UD/DU may be starting late.
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