2023-24 Games of Note

[Monster Man]

Hilarious, X-avier goes down 87-80 to Delaware at home.
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[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Monster Man Hilarious, X-avier goes down 87-80 to Delaware at home. Posted via Mobile Device

I saw some of that game. Xavier looks awful. What happened to them?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Fudd I saw some of that game. Xavier looks awful. What happened to them?

They hired a cheater as their coach?

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Fudd I saw some of that game. Xavier looks awful. What happened to them?

Wondering the same thing, I went to my ESPN app to check their schedule and the scores. While they have played a couple of Top 10 schools (Purdue & Houston), the biggest things seems to be their defense and their ball handling. Teams have been shooting over 50% against them this year, and they’ve had a few games with over 15 turnovers. Heck, in yesterday’s game, Delaware even got homered on the foul count (21 to 11), and they still won the game because of their shooting and because they won the turnover battle quite easily.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of gangstas.
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[The Fly]

They lost two of their better players — Fremantle and Hunter — to injuries. Both are likely out for the season.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by The Fly They lost two of their better players — Fremantle and Hunter — to injuries. Both are likely out for the season.

I haven't kept up with them, but another one of their guys is out for the year, Kam Craft.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by The Fly They lost two of their better players — Fremantle and Hunter — to injuries. Both are likely out for the season.

Looks like Hunter just came back

[frisco flyer]

Why so much talk about an irrelevant basketball team that we don’t even play?

[cj]

For the same reason players that left the program are being followed.
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[Fudd]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Why so much talk about an irrelevant basketball team that we don’t even play?

It's still fun when they s***?

[Ace22]

Originally Posted by Monster Man Hilarious, X-avier goes down 87-80 to Delaware at home. Posted via Mobile Device

Interesting thing about X's non-con schedule is they only play 1 true road game (Purdue) and 2 neutral games in the Continental Tire Main Event. Their other 8 non-con games are all at home.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Ace22 Interesting thing about X's non-con schedule is they only play 1 true road game (Purdue) and 2 neutral games in the Continental Tire Main Event. Their other 8 non-con games are all at home.

If UD gets into the Big East, I will abandon all calls for 15 neutral/away games, UD could schedule all the buy games they want, and I wouldn't complain. That will make many posters happy.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by ud2 If UD gets into the Big East, I will abandon all calls for 15 neutral/away games, UD could schedule all the buy games they want, and I wouldn't complain. That will make many posters happy.

You hear that Neil? Do it for no other reason than this.

[maddog07]

The most mid major of nights. A10 loses games to Brown, NJIT, Towson, Drake( after a 19 point lead), Northern Iowa and LaSalle escaped with 1 pt win over Loyola Md. VCUloses to Memphis which is respectable.
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	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[hawkoooo]

Absolutely brutal night for the A10.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by ud2 If UD gets into the Big East, I will abandon all calls for 15 neutral/away games, UD could schedule all the buy games they want, and I wouldn't complain. That will make many posters happy.

Its sort of a catch 22 though. One of the reasons we have scheduled the way we have is because we don't have enough revenue coming in from the A10 split, (because we are in a weak conference and can't command a decent TV deal). We sell out every home game at 13,000+ and so it is makes a lot of sense to have more home games. Also recall that per Neil the basketball program funds the vast majority of the athletic department (like over 90% if I recall correctly from the article). So arguably, if we were in the Big East we would have a lot more flexibility because we would have more revenue coming from the conference and could "afford" to play more road games.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Since the UNLV thread is closed, I'll put this bit of news here:

From the DDN
“We continue to allow UNLV to focus on their students and campus community,” UD announced. “We are working with UNLV to determine whether the game will be rescheduled or postponed to a future season. Once the path forward is determined, we will communicate with our fans. At that time, we will also share information about ticketing. Thanks for your patience and understanding as UNLV remembers and honors the victims.”

[PURPLE REIGN]

Xavier beats UC for the 5th straight time. In addition Xavier has won 6 of the last 7 and 20 of the last 28 against their rival.
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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by PURPLE REIGN Xavier beats UC for the 5th straight time. In addition Xavier has won 6 of the last 7 and 20 of the last 28 against their rival. Posted via Mobile Device

It's so weird for a x fan to come to a Dayton board just to occasionally post unsolicited updates about a school that has nothing to do with UD.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[hawkoooo]

Very solid weekend for the A10.

12-2 with wins over Hofstra (NET 78), Princeton (NET 21), and UMass Lowell (NET 82).

One good loss, Florida (NET 43) and one not so good loss, Charleston (NET 133).

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[PURPLE REIGN]

Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86 It's so weird for a x fan to come to a Dayton board just to occasionally post unsolicited updates about a school that has nothing to do with UD.

The majority of posts in page two of this thread are all about Xavier. Seems like it wasn't unsolicited at all. In fact, it was very topical. The thread is called "Games of note".

Are these posts weird.

"X-avier goes down 87-80 to Delaware at home."
"I saw some of that game. Xavier looks awful. What happened to them?"
"They hired a cheater as their coach?"
"Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of gangstas."
"It's still fun when they s***?"

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by PURPLE REIGN The majority of posts in page two of this thread are all about Xavier. Seems like it wasn't unsolicited at all. In fact, it was very topical. The thread is called "Games of note". Are these posts weird. "X-avier goes down 87-80 to Delaware at home." "I saw some of that game. Xavier looks awful. What happened to them?" "They hired a cheater as their coach?" "Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of gangstas." "It's still fun when they s***?"

Yes, but yours happens to be an exception. The thread is titled "games of note." A Xavier game, unless against a common opponent or A10 school, is not a game of note.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by PURPLE REIGN The majority of posts in page two of this thread are all about Xavier. Seems like it wasn't unsolicited at all. In fact, it was very topical. The thread is called "Games of note". Are these posts weird. "X-avier goes down 87-80 to Delaware at home." "I saw some of that game. Xavier looks awful. What happened to them?" "They hired a cheater as their coach?" "Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of gangstas." "It's still fun when they s***?"

yeah because they suck

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Yes, but yours happens to be an exception. The thread is titled "games of note." A Xavier game, unless against a common opponent or A10 school, is not a game of note.

Isn't UC a common opponent?

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer Isn't UC a common opponent?

Yup, which is why my post clearly states "yours happens to be an exception."

[PURPLE REIGN]

The majority of posts on this page are all about Xavier and no one seemed to have an issue so I figured this was the right place for Xavier updates.

Almost a half-dozen posters had strong opinions and were providing Xavier opinions...up until the point that they won their 5th straight against their biggest rival.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[longtimefan]

The point is why would a Zavier fan come to a UD board at all. You didn't come here after you lost to Oakland or Delaware. I've never gone to a Zavier board and can't imagine why I would ever want to.

[tirebiter]

Why would George Washington play Bowie State tonight, a D2 school?

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by tirebiter Why would George Washington play Bowie State tonight, a D2 school?

Ask our AD… our women play Ohio Dominican next, whoever they are. But they are terrible at basketball. They lost to Toledo 29-88!
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[Chris R]

One thing worth mentioning about Xavier that indirectly involves Dayton: the Muskies are 5-5 with home losses to Oakland and Delaware. If this was Dayton's resume', we'd be on NCAA life support. The rough starts is almost meaningless for XU however because there are enough marquee conferences games awaiting in the Big East to still earn a #5 seed in the NCAAs. You are never more than 10 days away from being irrelevant to being in the bracket.

Remember when Indiana lost like 11 of 12 games down the stretch and were still on the NCAA bubble? I think it was one of Archie's teams. You can suck for an entire month, beat Marquette and Creighton back to back, and largely undo that entire month of suck in a span of 5 days.

Dayton does not have this kind of latitude and opportunity in the A10.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[FlyingArrow]

The A-10 has some big opponents coming up on Saturday. La Salle and St. Bonaventure playing ranked opponents. And several other big name teams face off against the A10: Temple, St. John's, Cincinnati, West Virginia. And Davidson plays... Lynchburg? Also: Lynchburg?? The A-10's basketball teams should not be playing against non-D1 schools at all (during the regular season).

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Chris R One thing worth mentioning about Xavier that indirectly involves Dayton: the Muskies are 5-5 with home losses to Oakland and Delaware. If this was Dayton's resume', we'd be on NCAA life support. The rough starts is almost meaningless for XU however because there are enough marquee conferences games awaiting in the Big East to still earn a #5 seed in the NCAAs. You are never more than 10 days away from being irrelevant to being in the bracket. Remember when Indiana lost like 11 of 12 games down the stretch and were still on the NCAA bubble? I think it was one of Archie's teams. You can suck for an entire month, beat Marquette and Creighton back to back, and largely undo that entire month of suck in a span of 5 days. Dayton does not have this kind of latitude and opportunity in the A10.

The IU season to which Chris referred was Archie’s 2nd year in Bloomington. After beating Illinois in early January, they went 0-for-2019 until righting the ship in mid-February. They were awarded a 1-Seed in the NIT at the end of the season, on the strength of their stellar 17-15 record, after having been considered one of the Last 4 Out in the NCAA Tournament selection process.

And yes, that’s why the success/failure of regional teams that are in P5+ conferences is relevant.
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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Furio]

northwestern loses to chicago st. ouch that hurts

[cj]

UNLV beat Creighton.

[zmz723]

Yikes. So much for the “good loss” to northwestern.
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Yikes. So much for the “good loss” to northwestern. Posted via Mobile Device

Yeah, crap, Torvik has NW as the 8th team out now.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Yikes. So much for the “good loss” to northwestern. Posted via Mobile Device

He says with almost glee…

[jack72]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Yikes. So much for the “good loss” to northwestern. Posted via Mobile Device

They are 8-2 with a great win over Purdue, and a long way to go.

[hawkoooo]

Brutal loss for NW.

On the bright side, Longwood smashed Milwaukee on the road last night. They play two more clunkers before our game and should be 13-1 by then, well inside the top 75 of the NET.

[Glen Clark]

Just win - every game is a tournament game for the Flyers.

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Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

[SeasonTicketFan]

College basketball has a lot of head scratching upsets. The 3-point shot and numerous transfers, the game can produce those upsets more often. If you play a best of 7, the favored team will win the series easily.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan College basketball has a lot of head scratching upsets. The 3-point shot and numerous transfers, the game can produce those upsets more often. If you play a best of 7, the favored team will win the series easily.

Including UNLV over Creighton. I wasn't bummed about the outright cancellation until last night. That win bumped them up 64 points in the NET.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow The A-10 has some big opponents coming up on Saturday. La Salle and St. Bonaventure playing ranked opponents. And several other big name teams face off against the A10: Temple, St. John's, Cincinnati, West Virginia. And Davidson plays... Lynchburg? Also: Lynchburg?? The A-10's basketball teams should not be playing against non-D1 schools at all (during the regular season).

The A-10 went 8-5 today against the aforementioned teams, led by Dayton's beatdown of Cincinnati. Not too shabby.
The conference as a whole is now 104-53 on the season; only two teams with a losing record: Fordham & Rhode Island.

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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[udflyer88]

for those of you w big 10 network oakland vs MSU mon nite at 7 PM
so we can preview oakland for wed night. lets hope MSU tires them out.

[jack72]

Houston wins but loses guard Terrance Arceneaux to injury.

[hawkoooo]

Longwood wins again. They are 81 in the NET before today's victory. If they can win a road game against N.C. Central Wednesday, they will be 13-1, and well within the top 75 of the NET.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

It looks like the toughest game Longwood played was against St. Bonnie’s, and they lost. Crazy to think they could be top 75 in the NET.
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[jack72]

Never heard of them. Amazing how these podunk schools recruit these good players.
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[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by jack72 Never heard of them. Amazing how these podunk schools recruit these good players. Posted via Mobile Device

Longwood is located in Farmville, VA.
Formerly known as Farmville College.

[The Fly]

Longwood plays in the Big South conference and made the dance in 2022, losing to Tennessee. They have some talent.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark The A-10 went 8-5 today against the aforementioned teams, led by Dayton's beatdown of Cincinnati. Not too shabby. The conference as a whole is now 104-53 on the season; only two teams with a losing record: Fordham & Rhode Island. _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

Who is the coach at Rhode Island???

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow Longwood is located in Farmville, VA. Formerly known as Farmville College.

Trap game...stay focused...no let up

Oakland is also a potential trap game.

Oakland...Wed Dec 20
Longwood...Sat Dec 30

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer It looks like the toughest game Longwood played was against St. Bonnie’s, and they lost. Crazy to think they could be top 75 in the NET. Posted via Mobile Device

They only lost by 4 at the Bonnies though, not bad. 73-69

And that was the first game of this season for Longwood, they might have been just getting their feet wet.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

That’s all certainly possible, but they have gathered a bunch of wins against light competition. Their SOS is 349! Still, I recognize there’s something about learning how to win and gaining confidence. I agree that no game should be taken for granted.
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[cj]

Originally Posted by udflyer88 for those of you w big 10 network oakland vs MSU mon nite at 7 PM so we can preview oakland for wed night. lets hope MSU tires them out.

Bump.

[ud2]

I see that Torvik has Saint Joe's as his first team out. Saint John's is his second team out. So those two are at least in the mix.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

St John's defeats Xavier 81-66. St Johns is now 8-3

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan St John's defeats Xavier 81-66. St Johns is now 8-3

Booooohooooo
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan St John's defeats Xavier 81-66. St Johns is now 8-3

This means 2 things:
(1) I’m a St. John’s fan for the rest of this season; and
(2) Mavier is gaining steam.

Why did I call TTDS “Mavier”? Well, if TTUN is “Xichigan”, then the “M” needs a home, so…
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[jack72]

St Lou loses to NC ST 82-70

[hawkoooo]

The dream of playing a 1-loss top 75 Longwood is dead. They fall on the road to NC Central. They dropped 30 spots in the NET as a result.

Huge day today for both non-con opponents and the A10.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by jack72 St Lou loses to NC ST 82-70

You have to wonder how hot Ford’s seat is getting. Admittedly, NC State is a decent opponent, but everyone in college basketball knows “the book” on him and his teams.
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[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 You have to wonder how hot Ford’s seat is getting. Admittedly, NC State is a decent opponent, but everyone in college basketball knows “the book” on him and his teams. Posted via Mobile Device

I highly doubt he can survive another mediocre season. His payout is significant, but so too are the team's abysmal results under his watch.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan St John's defeats Xavier 81-66. St Johns is now 8-3

I'm glad we removed X from our schedule. They would drag down our SOS.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by jack72 St Lou loses to NC ST 82-70

I've seen Saint Louis play a few times this year, and zoinks are they bad! Horrible in just about every way. It hurt me to watch.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[hawkoooo]

Solid bounce back for the A10 yesterday. 4-0 with a somewhat notable true road win for George Mason @ Tulane.

Must-win for Duquesne tonight if they want to stay in any at-large discussions. All they have left in the non-con is a D2 game.

Another huge one in the non-con slate as the Johnnies take on mighty UConn.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer I highly doubt he can survive another mediocre season. His payout is significant, but so too are the team's abysmal results under his watch.

You have to wonder why they gave him such a long contract and/or such a huge buyout. He certainly didn't earn the right to be their coach for 8 years. He is 1/7 now, likely 1/8 after this year. These schools are sometimes way too generous with the deals that they give out. He went to the ncaat there in his 3rd year. Maybe they are satisfied with being a NIT-level program.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Solid bounce back for the A10 yesterday. 4-0 with a somewhat notable true road win for George Mason @ Tulane. Must-win for Duquesne tonight if they want to stay in any at-large discussions. All they have left in the non-con is a D2 game. Another huge one in the non-con slate as the Johnnies take on mighty UConn.

Dusquesne faded in the last few minutes: Duqusne 73 - Santa Clara 81.
UConn-St John's TBD

The A-10 is now 117-56 in non-conference play

_____________________
Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[longtimefan]

UConn 69 - St John's 65. Not bad vs the #5 team in the country on the road.

[CvilleFlyer]

St. Johns almost pulled the upset tonight at #5 UConn but lost 69-65 to the Huskies. The game was tied at 63 with a couple of minutes remaining but St. John's missed some critical free throws down the stretch.

What I thought was interesting was three point shooting. St. Johns was 4-18 for 22.2% and UConn was 5-18 for 27.8%. The Big East seems to like driving to the basket and bullying around vs. becoming adept at three point shooting! The refs were letting them play rough.

Now I know the reason why the Oakland coach, Greg Kampe, stated that the Flyers could beat anyone when they shoot the three like they did against his team!

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Dusquesne faded in the last few minutes: Duqusne 73 - Santa Clara 81. UConn-St John's TBD The A-10 is now 117-56 in non-conference play

Absolutely brutal loss for the Dukes. They dropped 13 spots in the NET as a result.

St. John's acquitted themselves very well.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[ud2]

The A10 is better than last year it appears.

This year, Torvik rankings:

47 Dayton
65 Saint Joe
76 Saint Bonaventure
77 Duquesne
82 VCU
95 Richmond
98 George Mason
105 UMass
127 Loyola
131 Davidson
171 SLU
177 GW
194 RI
202 Fordham
205 LaSalle


Last year, final Torvik rankings:

62 VCU
68 Dayton
98 SLU
121 Duquesne
130 Davidson
149 Fordham
160 George Mason
166 Richmond
179 Saint Joe
186 Saint Bonaventure
194 GW
213 LaSalle
214 UMass
230 Loyola
241 Rhode Island

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CT Flyer]

UConn was without Donovan Clingan last night so that certainly helps if you are St. John's.

Thad Matta did not elect to foul up three at the end of the Butler/PC game and he got burnt. I know people are on both sides of this argument but in this case there was a dribbler with the ball inside of the three point line, which is definitely when they should have fouled because there is no possibility of the guy throwing up the shot to draw 3 ft's. As I've said before, in all of the games I've watched in my life I've only ever seen the make the first ft, miss the second on purpose and rebound and score it, once (in a high achool game). However I have seen made three's to tie the game many, many times. Still seems like a no brainer to me.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by ud2 The A10 is better than last year it appears. This year, Torvik rankings: 47 Dayton 65 Saint Joe 76 Saint Bonaventure 77 Duquesne 82 VCU 95 Richmond 98 George Mason 105 UMass 127 Loyola 131 Davidson 171 SLU 177 GW 194 RI 202 Fordham 205 LaSalle Last year, final Torvik rankings: 62 VCU 68 Dayton 98 SLU 121 Duquesne 130 Davidson 149 Fordham 160 George Mason 166 Richmond 179 Saint Joe 186 Saint Bonaventure 194 GW 213 LaSalle 214 UMass 230 Loyola 241 Rhode Island

So why does Torvik dislike us soooo?

Much prefer the Net ratings where we are 23rd:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba.../rankings/net/

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer UConn was without Donovan Clingan last night so that certainly helps if you are St. John's. Thad Matta did not elect to foul up three at the end of the Butler/PC game and he got burnt. I know people are on both sides of this argument but in this case there was a dribbler with the ball inside of the three point line, which is definitely when they should have fouled because there is no possibility of the guy throwing up the shot to draw 3 ft's. As I've said before, in all of the games I've watched in my life I've only ever seen the make the first ft, miss the second on purpose and rebound and score it, once (in a high achool game). However I have seen made three's to tie the game many, many times. Still seems like a no brainer to me.

To foul or not foul that is the question. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. I'll add to the discussion.

https://kenpom.com/blog/yet-another-...ing-when-up-3/

https://c510383.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/...20be%20high%29.

[tirebiter]

Originally Posted by ud2 The A10 is better than last year it appears. This year, Torvik rankings: 47 Dayton 65 Saint Joe 76 Saint Bonaventure 77 Duquesne 82 VCU 95 Richmond 98 George Mason 105 UMass 127 Loyola 131 Davidson 171 SLU 177 GW 194 RI 202 Fordham 205 LaSalle Last year, final Torvik rankings: 62 VCU 68 Dayton 98 SLU 121 Duquesne 130 Davidson 149 Fordham 160 George Mason 166 Richmond 179 Saint Joe 186 Saint Bonaventure 194 GW 213 LaSalle 214 UMass 230 Loyola 241 Rhode Island

This year, Torvik rankings:
Net Torvik
22 47 Dayton
62 65 Saint Joe
66 76 Saint Bonaventure
79 77 Duquesne
90 82 VCU
99 95 Richmond
72 98 George Mason
84 105 UMass
169 127 Loyola
110 131 Davidson
213 171 SLU
135 177 GW
252 194 RI
235 202 Fordham
164 205 LaSalle

The net likes the Flyers.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[sheg]

Originally Posted by podcast411 So why does Torvik dislike us soooo? Much prefer the Net ratings where we are 23rd: https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba.../rankings/net/

Both Torvik and Kenpom have a preseason bias that takes 15-18 games before it fully diminishes. This is generally a good thing as it prevents outliers from massively skewing the early rankings, but it misses greatly improved teams like Dayton (NET 22, Torvik 48) or Colorado State (NET 15, Torvik 38), or dropping teams like Michigan State (NET 35, Torvik 11).

The rankings usually stabilize around the third week of January.

[udflyer88]

umass vs siena tomorrow 12/30 1 PM. umass vs ga tech game was close in hi tourn.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[frisco flyer]

A-10 went a respectable 11-2 today to close out the OOC.
Top to bottom, the A-10 is significantly improved over last year. There are plenty of Quad 2, and a few Quad 1 games in the conference schedule.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer A-10 went a respectable 11-2 today to close out the OOC. Top to bottom, the A-10 is significantly improved over last year. There are plenty of Quad 2, and a few Quad 1 games in the conference schedule.

Actually, the A-10 went 12-1 today (and 13-1 for the weekend).
The sole loss was LaSalle at home, losing to Howard 66-71.
The conference ends the OOC season 131-60 - a definite step up from last year.

_____________________
Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[SLUFLYER]

Not sure if this thread is still breathing, but from what I can tell these are tonight's games re: our opponents:

Northwestern @ Illinois (-5.5)
Charlotte @ SMU (-8.5)
Butler @ St. John's (-6.5)
Bible Studies @ Grambling (no line)

Atlantic 10 play starts tomorrow night.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[Medford]

This thread is always breathing Just haven't been many games of note the past few weeks. With the holidays being what they were, most everyone was playing buy games at home w/ long breaks in between. Things should heat up a bunch tonight; there are some non opponent games of interest like New Mexico @ Col St, UNC @ Pitt, Creighton @ G'town and Cuse @ Duke


W/ the last week being so devoid of TV worthy games, perhaps Niel should approach ESPN about televising an annual Christmas day classic b/w UD and Wright St. With no other games on TV I'm sure many will tune in to watch that classic tilt. I'll set a reminder to mention this again next season

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Medford W/ the last week being so devoid of TV worthy games, perhaps Niel should approach ESPN about televising an annual Christmas day classic b/w UD and Wright St. With no other games on TV I'm sure many will tune in to watch that classic tilt. I'll set a reminder to mention this again next season

I am so giddy thinking about our home and home next season on Christmas and MLK Day with the 4-8 #180 Net ranked team. Of course once Nagy and his staff read Hawkoos ideas of going 3 or 4 deep with guys dedicated 100% to playing the point and nothing but the point, I am sure their NET will soar (not saying which direction, you figure it all out)

[udflyer88]

Az vs FAU from 12/23/23...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0azdl5H66c

one of the best games i have ever seen played for a while.

when you have 2 (plus) hrs of time

[frisco flyer]

Rhoda takes down St. Joe in the first upset of the A10 season

[Buster]

VCU / St. B is a good game. St B looking good. They have big center 6/10 260 named Venning. He will be a load for DaRon and Jacks.

[Swampy Meadows]

Fordham beats GW
UMass defeats the Dukes
Loyola downed SLU
GMU over La Salle

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Fordham beats GW UMass defeats the Dukes Loyola downed SLU GMU over La Salle

Fordham/GW was a three OT affair.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[hawkoooo]

Rough night for the A10. St. Joe's, GW, and Duquesne (if they are to be taken seriously as at-large contenders) all shoot themselves in the foot. St. Joe's and GW especially.

I keep hearing 2-3 A10 teams getting in from the pundits. Who? Maybe the Bonnies? They better find a way to pick up a Q1 win or two. St. Joe's? They have as many abysmal losses as they do quality wins at this point. Mason is in the same boat as the Bonnies, but with slightly worse computer numbers.

No question the league is much improved overall, but this is a 2-bid league max unless one or two of these bubble teams really make a run.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Medford]

Appears to be a bit of a shakeup saturday in the top 25


FAU (17) lost at Charlotte
Marquette (7) lost @ Seton Hall (their 2nd top 25 win this week)
UNC won @ Clemson (16)
Providence (25) lost at Creighton, Providence's second lost this week plus their best player is out for the year now
James Madison (19) lost @ So Miss


Plus a lot of top 25 teams had scrapped by


(25) Ole Miss is @ Tennessee (5)
Duke (14) @ Notre Dame
Col St (13) @ Utah St


So some potential road upsets/losses by top 25 teams still on the table


In the A10


Mason beat SLU
LaSalle won @ Fordham
Richmond knocks off the Bonnies by 9
Loyola beats Duquesne
GW wins at VCU


Opponents,



Houston won big over West Virginia

Oakland knocks off Green Bay
Longwood wins
St Johns wins @ Nova


Later tonight, Cincy plays at BYU (12), given the strength of the Big 12, we are about to find out if that Quad 1 victory will hold over the next few weeks. I'm expecting it to vanish with as many tough games as they have; but remain hopeful that one can stick. At least St Johns is looking stronger each week.


LSU @ aTm later as well

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[Chris R]

Our RPI is now up to #4 -- not that it matters which it no longer does.

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by Chris R Our RPI is now up to #4 -- not that it matters which it no longer does.

I our high RPI markedly different than all the other rating systems?
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[maddog07]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Rough night for the A10. St. Joe's, GW, and Duquesne (if they are to be taken seriously as at-large contenders) all shoot themselves in the foot. St. Joe's and GW especially. I keep hearing 2-3 A10 teams getting in from the pundits. Who? Maybe the Bonnies? They better find a way to pick up a Q1 win or two. St. Joe's? They have as many abysmal losses as they do quality wins at this point. Mason is in the same boat as the Bonnies, but with slightly worse computer numbers. No question the league is much improved overall, but this is a 2-bid league max unless one or two of these bubble teams really make a run.

Unless someone really catches fire, no one other than us has much chance of getting an at large bid. If we play as expected but fail to the win the AQ, that’s about the only way we get two bids. No one else is even close to “ next 4 out” status.
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	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Chris R]

LSU wins at Texas A&M and Cincinnati wins at @12 BYU. Got a ton of SOS help tonight.

[TA111]

Because of St John’s, UC and LSU the Flyers NET has jumped to 19.

[udisit19]

Incredible night for the Dayton Flyers non-con opponents. LSU has an enormous jump from 131 to 96 after beating Texas A&M. LSU also moves from a Quad 3 win to a Quad 2 win. Cincy’s win over BYU pushed them to NET #25.

Even Troy upset top 100 App St. and Troy jumped from 227 to 201.
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[tirebiter]

Interesting that Alabama is ranked #6 in the NET even though they are 0-5 in Q1 games. Q1 games are highly valued even if you lose every one.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by tirebiter Interesting that Alabama is ranked #6 in the NET even though they are 0-5 in Q1 games. Q1 games are highly valued even if you lose every one.

It’s a little more involved than that but I see your point. There have been many teams who’ve played a very tough schedule but have been denied an at large bid because they’ve lost then all. That’s where Alabama is right now.

[udisit19]

It is really early, but SMU has 5 point lead on #15 Memphis. 10:00 left in the first half, on ESPN.
Already a 7 pt lead with 8:00 left in the first. SMU 20 MEM 13

Youngstown State winners over IUPUI. IUPUI 65. YSU 75

Later today Michigan St at Northerstern. 7:30 Pm tip.
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[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Half time SMU 36 Memphis 24